Stud Dog Suggestions - Page 1

Hi, all! Sorry I have not been on the site as much but law school is taking up most of my time!

I am considering breeding my bitch in February. She is a UkC Champion and has her CD ( all first places with veryhigh scores), RN, HIC, TC, TDI. She is A stamped hip and elbows and OFA Normal for Shoulders, Cardiac, Thyroid, Full Dentition (teeth counted while under sedation), and DM. DDR breeding.

We started toward her IPO 1 but could not finish training.  While training, her bites were full; she was fine with verbal and physical pressure including stick hits; very stable mentally; and all 3 helpers she worked under thought she was mentally solid in protection and correct in all her responses. Her tracking was very good.

I am looking for stud dog that is healthy,  from healthy lines, improves movement, and is as mentally stable as she is with IPO work with proper drives similar to her own. i have seen a lot of mentally unstable dogs with IPO titles so I dont want to use titles as a benchmark. no noise sensitivity on stud or any signs of mental weakness.

I prefer more of a working line/ASL type of conformation with coreect front, solid back and topline...balanced build. need a pretty head...sorry.  Proper bite, tail carriage, tight feet. no allergies or history of colic or bloat.

I am looking to breed for my replacement puppy to show in ring (akc/ukc); show sv conformation; do IPO and get breed survey. so, i either want a showline that can work like hell or a working line that is gorgeous. Proper temperament above all after health. Followed by working ability and type.

Bitch strengths- temperament, temperament, temperament. excellent health. solid working ability with great willingness to work. beautiful conformation overall with a couple exceptions..athletic. Eager to please.

weakness- would like to see stronger topline (no roach or bend). need better movement so better forearm/shoulder. more coat (she's black with more of a WL coat).

prefer Northeast or east coast. Any suggestions?

PMing you, Smiley.

And I have to say I really like your criteria explanation. Nice to see someone truly value health (including allergies and bloat!!), and temperament. 

I've always liked this dog - http://www.eichenantrieb.com/site/german-shepherd-males/nggallery/thumbnails

And as far as show lines go, Zambo vom Riedschlurgi is on the east coast. He's VA rated as well as being a universal sieger. Griff v Temar is in Canada, VA rated in Canada, nice work last time I saw him. Can't recall where in Canada he was, though, so may not be an option for you. 

There's also Iron von den Wolfen and Bandit vom Wolfsheim in the northeast. Just a few "well known" boys with good working ability and nice conformation I recalled being in the area. Not sure if they're exactly what you're looking for or not. I'd definitely try the Euro German Shepherd Stud group on Facebook. Good luck!

Those are good suggestions....a lot of titled Euro stud owners are not going to consider her titled, though, I'm afraid. The FB stud group is a good resource. 

Thank you both......much appreciated!

PM-ing you

There are many excellent choices available to you I own 3x VA Pato di Zenevredo and he is in New York. Niño von Tronje is in Georgia, Mailo kuckusland is in Virgina just to name a few. Cobra is in California. Many great dogs have been imported into another America over the past decade

Thank you again.  I would like to add that I am considering proven studs only as my bitch is a maiden. By proven, I mean has sired multiple litters out of a variety of bitches. I want to know what he is siring in terms of health (any problems that have come up or arose from certain matings that cobined particular genetics); what is his siring in terms of temperament (soft dogs); what is he siring in terms of working ability (stable, confident pups that can handle a variety of disciplines simultaneously; natural trackers?; willingness/eager to please- some dogs sire pure working dogs that will excel as police/military/top sport dogs but are hard, require strong corrections, or not for the novice handler. I am looking for a dog that is not at that level....all pups will most likely, realistically, be placed in pet homes. I am holding a pup back to show and compete with as my next competition/breeding dog. I need a stud that can move easily between the IPO, AKC, and family worlds.....proper drives but not extreme drives. No young, unproven studs.

My goal in breeding is to produce my next competition/breeding dog from a bitch I have tested from day 1 in terms of breed worthiness.  I have brutally high standards and will except no health or mental deficiancies. I know what I have in my bitch in terms of working ability, health, and conformation, and temperament. Titles only convey a small portion of a dog's worth. They may show an intelligence, willingness to train and execute, and correct conformation. But, they are not the whole story. I will not sacrifice in terms of her breeding. I have been looking for a stud for years and have yet to find one. I take breeding her incredibly seriously. She is breed worthy and I don't need a piece of paper to tell me that. Likewise, I don't need a piece of paper with titles to tell me a stud is worthy as lots have breed surveys and I wouldn't breed to them if they were the last dog on earth. I value titles but they are just one piece of the puzzle. I like to check all boxes if possible.....

From puppyhood, I have tested her mental capacity. She is fine with loud noises, gunshots, thunder. Shows no fear or apprehension at new, starting circumstances. Is amazingly eager to train and enthusuiastically willing (got her titles through as a trued HOT with high scores). Has excelled at whatever discipline I have tried. just a steady, EASY, dog. Moves easily between all worlds whether IPO, AKC, UKC, Herding, etc. Is brought with me everywhere and is absolutely steady and reliable in all situations with strangers, children, other animals. Walked into a TDI test with no exposure and she passed...all attendees and evaluator praised her steadiness. You can't teach that. First exposure to crutches, wheel chairs, walkers, abnormal walking gait with yelling...she didn't bat an eye.To test her physical soundness, she has done a 9 hour hike over three 4000 foot mountains-running off leash at will. She hikes off leash 6-8+ miles, multiple times a week, and at coming 4 years has never taken a bad step..not one limp. No health issues. No allergies. No bloat or colic. Nothing. Tight feet. Correct tail carriage. dark eyes, Correct bite (had her knocked out and orthopedic counted each tooth); natural ear carriage.

I would like to keep her disposition, health, and working ability and pretty head.  I need a stud with a gorgeous head. I know..my one pet peeve. I need a typey head.  Would like to improve her front end structure to get a freer movement (DDR bred so short forearm and could use better shoulder-her extension is limited. Do NOT want to add roach to get extension); would like to better her topline with a stronger croup; and improve her coat (more plush). But, do not want to introduce health, disposition, or other issues like allergies or gay tail carriage or ears that won't stand.  If I need to sacrifice...... than I would sacrifice structure/movement/type and maintain health, disposition, and working ability. To me, at the end of the day....it's those three things that must be maintained at all cost...the german shepherd is and will always be a working dog. Period.

Is there a reason you haven't posted her pedigree so experienced breeders could steer you in the right direction for what you're trying to accomplish?