So I had someone tell me today that there never was brindle in the GSD lines? - Page 3

Here is a article about the brindles.  Also the pic I was looking for to show this brindle. This pic was 1922 unfortunately I do not know (and never have) his name.

http://aringsburgkennel.blogspot.com/2009/08/brindle-german-shepherd-dog-lost.html

Also as some of us know there is a girl in Fla claiming brindles K9 Pines and anyone can goggle them and decide for theirself. I say they are mixed. Also when I originally saw this pic and read that article--it was said that they came from northern Germany--mostly--and this author felt there was Dutchie mixed in with them to create the brindle color. He based this on the reagion they were from which was more "Belgian" country so to speak.

GSD Lineage as always I appreciate the things you post and altho I'm not genetically smart enough to understand it all, it does make sense to me. And yes the white dogs can produce sables because the white is a masking color. Another reason JMO to not mix the white in with the colors.

 

 Thank you for the article link vonissk. I see merle & Brindle all the time in other breeds on this database.

Reading another brindle thread, (also had some modern brindle enigmas) it looks like Sable may ALSO hide brindle. 
 GSDlovergirl said:
"Brindle + awaw (agouti/wolf grey) - effect on dog is unknown. Would most likely appear to have brindle points, or brindle may not appear at all"

These colors are not rare or going extinct, and merle certainly is attached to some serious health concerns. I did see an ad a while back that showed uncommon color GSD pups to see if they can get a market. Of course, I know people that will look for off colors or white chest/toes as an excuse to pay the breeder less money.  The brindle in the ad I remember looked like a pure Dutch Shepherd pup, (No parents listed) and I think it was a market test (research). I wonder if the dog they say was the last brindle surveyed was Barry von der Erka? born in 1920, the timing is right. I found Friedo vom Schlabendorf born in 1923, after the 1922 date, from a brindle thread done here a while back.

Prissyzilla,

These are the Known Brindles with images on PDB I was able to find. If you click on them, you get taken to their pages. 
V Jockel von Schwetzingen

V Beowulf (Sonnenberg)

Friedo vom Schlabendorf

Barry von der Erka (1920)

1913 SGR Arno von der Eichenburg

Diana von der Bloßenburg

Hussan von Mecklenburg

 

Good Morning GSD Lineage--thank you for the info and also those pics and peds. I went to some and clicked on ancestors and the colors were amazing--to me anyway. What I mean by that there are more not exactly brindles but brindly (made up word) looking--also a reverse masked dog. I say amazing to me altho I knew the existence of these colors I just didn't realize there were that many. I*'ve only seen pics of a copuple of brindles from that era. Also it being a dominant masking color maybe it's better we don't have the color anymore. My other comment about your post is it is a damn shame that anytime some off color pops up all of a sudden its rare etc and then the scammers come in and try to use everything they can to market them.

One other thing--I posted this before on same type of conversation and was told noone would believe anything Purina said, but I am going to post it again. I have a little handbook of dogs and dog care put out by Purina and it is dated 1960. Under the description of the GSD it tells the acceptable colors and yes one of them is brindle. I thought it was very curious to say the least to see that in a 1960's timeline.

I think you are probably right about Barry von der Erka--I thought he was a handsome dog. Wish there was a way to get some of that old paperwork and just dive into it and stay there a long while...........

 

There is not, now. Max von Stephanitz and friends got rid of it in the early days of the SV, as they also did with merle. By the way, some of those photos shown in this discussion are highly unlikely to be brindles. There used to be (and it's extremely rare now) some modifier genes that gave a mottled look to some lower-leg areas. A few years ago in Texas I saw a true solid black (no color at the vent... anus...) that had some shadings, hints, of dark tan on the lower legs. Back in the `40s thru `60s I used to see a few of these. I believe the same "speckled-tan" look existed in many of the early B&T and Bi-color GSDs in somewhat greater percentage.
Fred Lanting, "Mr.GSD" (@juno.com), author of "The Total GSD".

Mr Lanting, glad you mention the break-through speckling on solid black dogs;  over the past few years I have seen an increasing

number of cases of this in UK GSDs.  Not in Show breeding, but pets in the street, mainly, and knowledge is lacking in what sort of

ancestry is producing it.  Judging from photos on here, there are lots in the US,  so wonder if it came (back) in via American-bred imports ?

Someone once posted on a post here about the brindle dogs k-9 pines had, last year I think, but I did save a couple of the pics he shared. The person posting was saying that there still was brindle german shepherds and that their theory that they've been basically bred out was due to them being less appealing to the eye. The person posted some pics, said that they were a photographer or were just taking photos of the breeders' or owners dogs. He did not own these dogs himself if I remember correctly. Does anyone else remember these pics?

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**Note, those dogs in the photos were not K-9 pines dogs.

Prissyzilla, 

Some of those above remind me of KNPV Malinois I have seen on PDB.

I remember the images, they are on the  another brindle thread.
This was written in the late 1940s in the USA about GSD colors.

 Ugly shades of brindle are not popular, but they are not wrong. Some judges preffer blacks, black/tans or greys, but this is not justified. 

Page 124 of The Complete German Shepherd, by Milo G Derlinger.

Mr.GSD,

Brindle can certainly come from more than one genetic reason. Maybe it is like the black where you have two or more ways the color can happen. It certainly seems brindle was never very popular. I have to work hard to find them.

These below are other Brindle Color dogs of a variety of breeds with Saddle or B/T pattern added. If you click on then, or the name you get taken to their page.
 

CHRUS,JCHCLUB Aethwy Irsen  (Breed: Cardigan Welsh Corgi)	Mel de Rompehuesos (Breed:Ca de Bou)
Gargoyle's BLACK OMEN (Breed:Olde English Bulldogge)	Fonske II [Dhr. E. Verhoeven, Beek en Donk] (Breed:Belgian Malinois)

 

How can anybody consider K9 pines as a legimate source?

I work with a strictly German Shepherd Dog Rescue. We have a dog we rescued, in the rescue at the present time, that looks to be 100% German Shepherd.  The dog has brindle on its legs. We had had a few before, but you could tell they were extremely high mixes of GSD and Dutch. This one looks pure GSD, conformation wise, body body wise, head shape, ear carraige, etc.