Hi! I think my dog (Jack) may be your dog's half-brother.

Please email me at fyreflyflicker@yahoo.com. I think your dog is lovely and I wanted to ask you about a health issue I had with my dog.

Thanks!
Melissa

Could you please post a photo of Jake stacked?

Brittany,

Noticed in the 4th generation on Jake's top side, you do not have the parents(Lardo von der Haller Farm x Elba aus Wattenscheid), the V show rating, the SchH1 title or the SV registration number SZ 1473090 on Giulia von der Südfeldmark. I'll put it into the database for you. This way, you will have 7 generations on Jake Banus for pedigree research.

Brittany,

I also put in the OFA results for both of his parents. Incidentally, how are Jake's hips and elbows?

Brittany,

You posted a request for help in finding your dogs ancestors. I have submitted all of the ancestors on the bottom half for 7 generations. You have many of the top and historically famous AKC German Shepherd show dogs in the pedigree of Jake Banus. Nice bred AKC show dog, combining the German Sieger Show Lines with the top American Conformation Show Lines. He should do well in the AKC show ring and the German Style Show ring too. When are you going to get a SV show rating with him and show him in AKC dog shows? Not to show him, would be a great shame and keep him from achieving his full potential.

Jake has his BH now... He did great! He did whatever he was suppose to do... I'm so proud of this young man!

Re your typo, from Saoa to Sabre, ;) pretty funni. At first i was "WHAT DID I DO THIS TIME?" ok, i get it ...
Not to worry ok Brittany
good luck with Jake!

brittany - to find out what's behind the american dogs in Jake's pedigree, you can go to the akc website and get pedigree info online. (www.akc.org) put in the name & akc number of the dog & use a credit card to pay the fee (about $10 per search). if you search on beowulf carol stoney delia, you'll already know the first generation behind her, but you get the dogs behind them and it will be cheaper than doing a search on each of her parents. kinda depends on how many generations you want to go back...the results should be available online almost immediately. it's way faster & cheaper than asking akc for a traditional hardcopy pedigree.
good luck!

OMG! oh lord! Major typo! I meant Sabre. Im very sorry for the typo Saoa Please forgive me!

Saoa is a coward and a person who shouldn't be in the sport or in the breed or even the species! Im pretty sure he's a type of guy who judges everybody, not just dogs. He has no friends at all because all he does is judge.
Saoa also failed to realize how well my dog is and how much he works and if he thinks by getting an import from Germany is the best thing in the world... he's out of his mind because the Germans don't sell their "good" dogs to the US.

July, who ever goes on here and bashes other peoples dogs... they're not "Experts" Nor "Experienced" They have no life but to go on the net and bash peoples dog :)

Kizz,The mothers side is right on the side where you see no titles.

Ghost, you're right! You especially have the right attitude! :)

Brittany,
Your last line was:
PS, need help finding Jakes mother side as I don't know if their titled or not.

What are some of the names, I'm sure some of us will be able to help you find the info. you are looking for.

Brittany,
You are way ahead of them. Be proud of your dog. He is a better "animal" than those you have just encountered. Enjoy

Kougar,
I agree that perhaps you should limit your comments to factual, knowledgable information and leave the personal insults out. You are not doing any of the people that contact this venu or the breed any justice with your responses.

Actually, I'm quite disappointed - I've always considered Oli's site the best on German shepherd and the idea of a forum seamed great to me: I was sure there would be a lot to learn about the breed, but all I found (with some few, small exceptions) were fights and polemics, pride and personal little wars. There are some people with a disturbing superior attitude, arrogant and so full of themselves; they may be experts, I don't know, especially as our approach (the European one, I mean) is so different from the US one, but so far, I didn't see any opportunity of learning anything from them; I've got nothing personal with any of them, is just that I'd rather stay out of the forum as long as this kind of discussions goes on.

To: July
No need to worry about Sabre, he's got nothing better to do than slam dogs.
He's full of it and a coward. I've asked him/her a 100 times to contact me directly and the coward never does...
Please write Oli if you are fed up with this person as well, to anyone who reads it.
thanks,
saoa

When I first got Jake was when I didn't know anything nor the "Lines" Again it wasn't Jakes fault that he is here and smelling the fresh air. If I knew better I wouldn't of got him, although I'm glad I did spend the 800 dollars on him because he has changed my life completely. As for the rude comments.. It really don't bother me that well because it only shows that the person has nothing better to do than to bash other dogs because of their pedigree. That person isn't really experienced enough. I was quite worried about my dog as im trying to get him a schH title but I had somebody knock me some sense and told me "Don't worry about the pedigree but to worry about how well your dog does". I really wish I can go out and spend about 8Grand for a Titled dog with KKL "a" stamp directly from Germany. As for the rest of the people who gave me nice comments... thank you! If your ever down in South FL let me know so i can show you how well Jake is :)

Again, Kougar, this is perfectly correct and both you and Sabre are totally right, it's just that I couldn't stop thinking about what Brittany felt when she read those lines on her dog - I bet the same thing could have been said on a totally different way (with no agressive sarcasm) - if she got it or not would have concerned her only. I olso have a dog I cannot mate, as he's a long hair (even though coming from a FCI world champion, and being a 4-4 linebred on both Jeck Noricum and Mark Haus Beck)- maybe Brittany is not as passionate about performance as I am and cares more about the pet ideea than about breeding the "real" (as we, here in Romania, call it) German shepherd ideea. Loving your pet and hoping is not a sin. And, to put it more simple: do it to the others as you would like it done to you - How would YOU have felt, Sabre?

Come on, Kougar, do you really think that insulting another human being is the best way to influence them to do the RIGHT thing?You are saying that people on different lists are being polite to Brittany, and she still doesn't get it. So, civil people on different lists consistently show their good manners and respect to one another. There's no reason to be nasty to someone.

Sabre's response NOT rude - straight forward and to the point - yes! Possibly a result of frustration after private nice correspondence?

too many people here in the states have a nice pet who they think everyone will want to breed to....and that it is a top quality wonderful example of the breed without any testing or even understanding what the testing entails [and this is NOT limited to the GSD people!!! spent weeks trying to convince a Golden Ret owner/co-worker what and why there was a breed standard!!!] there are too many BYB in EVERY breed here, not just GSDs - and this is a common mentality - in GSD and OTHER BREEDS Too - "grandpa is a champion/sieger, so even though I don't know anything about mom, or do any tests/OFA etc, my dog is so wonderful everyone should breed to him"

the initial poster has corresponded on other lists and people with experience have tried to educate her nicely...maybe a more straight forward comment will be more thought provoking!!!

July, You are so right! It's not necessary to insult people to get the point across. People with misdirected thinking have feelings, too! Miss Manners would be proud!

there is more to the message than a simple response - there is much more on other lists and private correspodence

HEY!!! No need to be that rough! (to put it politely); You are right - Jake is not a first class gs, but he can be a great dog and definitely a wonderfull pet for his owner - explain it to her nicely not slapping her in the face; whoever you are, you may be a super gs expert, but you definitely are not a manners expert!

Hips, elbows, titles, koering all needed - typical american mentality - I love my dog and so everyone should have one just like him

the world will beat a path to your door to breed their high quality females ????? NOT

you want to breed, get a good proven titled koer classed bitch, take her to a PROVEN male - then title one of THOSE females and breed it...

with a good titled female, everyone I meet is handing me pedigrees of their males - guess what...I look for the best possible male I can find for stud service...

As the HOT of Jake I must say that he's the most loving dog that I have ever owned before. Were currently working to get a BH on him and hopefully if his hips are good that I can continue with jakes career. Once his hips are checked and are valid I will be using him for stud services as I believe that he can produce very well, especially for disable people who are suffering from severe depression. Jakes temperament and working ability is marvelous.
PS, need help finding Jakes mother side as I don't know if their titled or not.