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by joanro on 08 July 2012 - 00:07

I don't know what conspiracy theory you're referring to,but to answer your question: never saw evidence that allergies are passed from sire to litter.

mfh27

by mfh27 on 08 July 2012 - 01:07

But your body is already alkalotic?


mfh27

by mfh27 on 08 July 2012 - 01:07

The forum users here are not known for their ability to use accurate scientific data to support their claims.  Google then becomes your friend.

by hexe on 08 July 2012 - 03:07

"I don't know what conspiracy theory you're referring to,but to answer your question: never saw evidence that allergies are passed from sire to litter."

<sigh> There are none so blind as they who will not see.  Thus we have GSDs that can't eat chicken, or can't eat beef, or can ONLY eat salmon and barley or duck and potato; that have to be wiped down after being outdoors because they're sensitized to pollens and molds and grasses--but all of that's from the environment and the kibble and...anything but breeders with blinders on, right?



by joanro on 08 July 2012 - 03:07

Hexe, I am not responsible for all those allergic dogs. I don't have any allergic dogs, never bred any allergic dogs, don't produce allergic dogs, sooo, don't have any evidence that it's passed from sire to entire litter. And if you are implying that I have blinders on...wrong. And yes I do believe that environment causes a whole lot of allergies.

trixx

by trixx on 08 July 2012 - 04:07

yes, i had a female once that was bred that had food allergies, never needed any meds for it, just alot of sctraching and as far as i know she never produce any pups with allergies, but i guess there was a  pup from  one of her daughters that had mild allergies. so i would say yes, allergies can be pass down and may skip a Gen, but they are still there and will pop up from time to time.

i would never breed a dog again with any allergies or health problems, we need to improve the breed as much as we can.

yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 08 July 2012 - 06:07

 Just read the hundreds of thread on this database from the last 6 yrs I have been here..IT IS obvious that what you read here tells you of the mega mega sick and problems that are handed down from the dams and sires.

 I do not breed sick dogs, or allergic dogs or dogs with problems . NO perfect ones either. THE normal hip problems in   a few litters and had a few bloat and then one mega in 19 years of breeding .

MY vets will testify and only have I ever had cancer in one bitch my foundation, import ZU, and then had a mammilary cancer in Pepsii.

MY cocker spaniels all three females carried huge mammalary tumors till they were so large they went inward. MY vet would not remove as they all came up after 12 years of age..

I have never spayed a male and never had one with cancer.  Never neutered a female and had two with cancer out of ???? many I produced. I would not know how to act with dogs with allergies or sick dogs who need pills or meds..

SO I have no proof on my end but I have read this database for 6 years..just start your research from here alone.

I witnessed dogs from a huge American bred gsd  Kennels in Spring,  Texas when I was with Harris CO SO in dog program and prosecuted a dog trainer who stole my stud,  and have vets of mine who have told me of the horrible allergy conditions as well as complaints from customers who took back dogs, to this kennel,  with mega allergies. THE owner of that kennel does say if you do not feed his food that he produces there on premises,  your dogs can  have problems. My first owner of my first litter of gsd,  in Houston of three of my gsd told me of her experience and he, kennel owner,  told her among others who came to me with the dogs they took back were highly allergic pups, that  he tells you , when you bring a dog back,  if you do not feed his food you can have your problems...DID NOT BUY THAT> Neither did vets who saw many pups from this same place. Just last week spoke to a former customer of mine who saw dogs on that same place with allergic symptoms obvious, having visited it and was told you have to feed his food...His food doesn't do one thing for the allergies...just a sales ploy.

Most all of the problems are genetic. No excuse for mega allergic traits in pups.
Breed dam and sire of good health and chances are gonna be very slim..DO a check on the grandparents and their health records and ask for proof of all the ancestry before you buy a pup .
WHAT you get is  approx 70% from your dam and the rest the males get tapped with..It takes a lot of leg work to trace health issues from grand parents back to gr gr grand parents but it can be done and is well worth it. IF you cannot do these things before you buy and get started then do not do it. TOO many gsd are bred just because people love them and do not understand what has been handed down sometimes is not known because many before them didn't take the time to uncover and check out all the ancestry for health issues.

YR

 I  have been breeding and in the gsd world from Galveston to Tyler for many years and have crossed many vets offices and owners of such dogs and all have long tales of allergies long before they even had them over 6 months, as pups.
Hot spots are the first thing happening and I remedied that with RAW DIET..solves that problem.

Kaiser in the Off TOPIC thread on the PINK porch , about Ice Cream,   had hot spots at 7 months old and owner put him immediatly on raw diet so it was not hereditary it was food. DO not know what dgfood he fed but he gave it up for raw..Healthiest dog in Caddo Mills Texas still.

  SO I heard and saw.


EuroShepherd

by EuroShepherd on 08 July 2012 - 07:07


Fact: Environment affects and alters DNA/RNA in eggs and sperm. 
Nutrition, toxins, medicines, vaccines, viruses (and other pathogens,) stress, age, air quality, etc. not only damages a body, but also damages the genetics within a body.  Mutations are a direct result from genetic change caused by enviromental factors.  Eventually, ALL health problems lead back to the DNA/RNA code, all health problems are mutations.  

Filling dogs with chemicals and poisons just to select a dog for breeding because they seem to tolerate the abuse well is foolish because their progeny will suffer.  

It is impossible to prevent every kind of environmental damage to the body.  But, the responsible thing to do is to minimize it as much as possible.  That starts with what the dog takes into it's body, air, food, water, medicine, etc. 
Feeding a diet that is biologically appropriate and has minimal or no synthetic ingredients and chemicals helps to protect and strengthen the DNA.  Responsible breeding doesn't start with the selection of individual animals, it starts with environment. 

In regards to cancer and spay/neuter.  I've had a lot of pets over the years, dozens, mostly cats, dogs and rabbits.  I've had a lot more unaltered pets than altered.  I've had 5 pets that had cancer (all dead now,) all of them were altered.  I've yet to have an unaltered pet with cancer. 

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 08 July 2012 - 13:07

EuroShepherd...as usual...

Not sure why the fact that environment alters DNA is such a tough one for people to grasp. Raise generations of dogs in unnatural environments and you'll pay the price in the genes soon enough. Environment becomes genetics, essentially. 





 


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