Exports to China - Page 4

not sure what you mean by not all chinese eat dogs. the point is that it is an acceptable part of their culture, regardless of splitting hairs over the exact %.

I'm sure there are a few Frenchmen who don't eat horse meat, that doesn't change that it is accepted in their country. and it's their country and their culture so I don't have an issue with it.

The Chinese eat dogs and make beautiful throw rugs from the skin, and I'm some kind of racist because I say this. some of you have your PC meters set a little thin.

Rik

Rik

If you are suggesting all Chinese, or the majority of them eat dog meat then think again.

“There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.”


Kim

"Consider children - In England we have the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children.  Children are still tragically and sadly abused, BUT the general attitude towards this abuse is of horror and disgust.  But consider some Countries where young children are orphaned or abandoned running the streets ...... Orphanages where children are almost forgotten, their needs barely met.  Left in cots, with little communication or affection.  The attitude and culture of those Countries accepts these situations, offering little if any care and protection."

Economics has every bit as much to do with such conditions as culture does.  And before beating your breast about the superiority of English culture and institutions, I'd suggest stepping back and thinking a bit about England's utterly disgraceful occupation of Ireland and how many innocent people there and in many many other lands perished under the British Empire's somewhat less than benevolent hand over the course of 350 or so years of colonialism.  

"not sure what you mean by not all chinese eat dogs. the point is that it is an acceptable part of their culture, regardless of splitting hairs over the exact %."

Interesting that you think there is only one "culture" in China.  Apparently in your eyes a coal miner in Manchuria = a shrimper on Hainan = a Uighur in Sinkiang = a factory owner in Shanghai.  So in a country as large as the USA with five times as many people they all look the same, think the same, act the same and dine on dog, eh?  

Better not sell any dogs to this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qre7e9z055M 

After all, I'm sure after he's done spending months and months training them to fly through the air and bite people in trees he rams a spit right up their asses and roasts them like suckling pigs.  Because that's just what "they" do over "there."

- Have you ever been to China and seen how animals are treated? My OH has, and I had the opportunity to go, but didn't want to, as I know it would be too upsetting for me.


Have you ever looked around your own City, State, Country and seen how animals are treated? Correct me if I'm wrong, until 2007 Cockfighting was legal in 3 U.S. States.

Is Missouri still infamous for it's Puppy Mills? 

Are Greyhound dogs still killed when their racing career is over?

Big name athletes still participating in dog fights?


-But it is largely confined to 'individuals' it is not an accepted cultural attitude.
We have organisations that will step in when these individuals carry out acts of cruelty  that is the whole point.


Individuals you say? Seems to me like it is an accepted cultural attitude.


I am not familiar with the Cruelty Legislation in the U.S., I can tell you that while Canada has some of the strongest Anti Cruelty Laws, there is no Law against eating a dog.

Without writing a lengthy novel, Canadian Cruelty to Animal Laws only apply to live animals. Meaning that if a person decided to humanely euthanize a dog legally owned by them, they could in fact eat it. And no law would be broken.

I'm not in any way suggesting that this is acceptable, have a look at your own Cruelty Laws and find out if in fact it is illegal to eat a dog.


I'm curious to know the answer.


Kim

Donald, "Economics has every bit as much to do with such conditions as culture does.  And before beating your breast about the superiority of English culture and institutions",

Do you honestly think that my Message (or any Message), was "beating my breast about English superiority"???  - Then read and think again.

(Years ago, upon visiting a certain Country, a teacher from my school was given a girl baby (not an orphan) - to extend their appreciation and pleasure of her visit with them.  They were not living in poverty, but did not have the same attitude to girl babies as they did with baby boys).

Reading this Thread, it seems to be a case of who does what to whom, and who does it worse!  I am sure we can all think of just one Town where we live, that for your well-being and safety, it is very inadvisable to walk alone at night, and risky even during the day!  However, not everyone living in that Town is out to murder, rob or assault every individual.  Unfortunately the general average of safety in that Town is low.  Would I therefore take an evening stroll without any concern? - no.   Would I not be concerned or worried leaving a child of mine in the care of one of the lovely people living in that Town, who are law-abiding and kind? - yes, I would worry, only because of the situation and attitude that surrounds them.

So, yes, yes, yes, we have problems in Society everywhere!  Hopefully, we do what we can to help.  But equally we ascertain the overall situation, that would be beyond our control, for placing a loved pet.  Our animals would have no choice, but we do and act for them.  So trying to be aware of culture differences, and what that could mean for the future of our animals is our responsibility.


Vixen 

The Chinese eat dogs and make beautiful throw rugs from the skin, and I'm some kind of racist because I say this. some of you have your PC meters set a little thin.

Skinning a dog alive - PC meters set a little thin - REALLY RIK, ARE YOU KIDDING ME ???

Individuals you say? Seems to me like it is an accepted cultural attitude.
It is an accepted cultural attitude in China.

Kim
In the UK cock fighting is illegal.  The practice of eating dog meat in itself, whilst I feel it is wrong, is not such an issue for me as the way an animal is treated and then how it is killed. If a dog were treated well and was eaten after having been humanely euthanised, I could live with that, I wouldn't like it but I could live with it.
I doubt that most countries in the western world have ever seen the need to bring in a law against eating dog meat, since it has never been a part of western culture.
Are Greyhound dogs still killed when their racing career is over?
Yes, and the animal welfare laws in the UK are changing and welfare groups (in the UK at least) are attempting to stop this. The number of Greyhound Racing tracks has diminished hugely, as people recognise the cruelty that follows the end of a racing career. This is how animal welfare laws work - to change the things that are cruel and should not be accepted practice. 
Big name athletes still participating in dog fights?
Individuals. Same with puppy mills.

DD How the British treated any other nation can be applied to many nations historically. How about slavery? It's a sillly an irrelevant argument and is totally unrelated to this topic. Although legislation has been instituted over the years and consequently some of these things cannot happen anymore.  China is a country that has a a poor record on human rights and no animal welfare laws. Are you still feeling as secure on that moral high ground you staked out above all those people in China, or do you think it's maybe a better idea to deal with people as individuals and see what they're each made of? YES, I still feel secure, we will not accept animal cruelty and will prosecute those who perpetrate it. China - as a nation (and it's government) fully accept animal cruelty, and don't even see it as cruelty. A cultural attitude cannot be broken down to individuals. Some chinese do not support the practice, nor indulge in it - a significant amount do. The street sellers that sell dogs for meat were banished during the olympics! 
Vixen again is right this is not an argument of who does what worst - it is a question on whether you would feel comfortable exporting a dog to China, knowing what they consider acceptable treatment of dogs.

"it is a question on whether you would feel comfortable exporting a dog to China, knowing what they consider acceptable treatment of dogs."

Again with the "they," which is what I deplore about your line of thinking.  

Donald, I feel sure that the "they"  was used as in general conversation, referring to a general situation.  For example;
"I heard it's a good Club, they are very friendly".  Now "they" may not necessarily all be very friendly, but the general knowledge of that Club is a good friendly one.

Our Messages may have certain errors, and if Proof Read - the Writer may have chosen to write; "Knowing what this Country's culture consider acceptable etc" - or perhaps maybe not.  (It is the Writer's decision and their Thread or Message). 

The Topic is very sensitive for a lot of people.  Was there even a possibility that you may have chosen to misunderstand what was written, because of your own strong feelings on this matter?  (I do only mean possibly).

Remember we are not writing a book, and therefore requiring a Draft copy first, to be Proof Read before the final copy.  Communicating in text rather than spoken speech, can easily be misunderstood or misinterpreted, as is sometimes observed.


Vixen