Line breeding on Tom Vant Leefdalhof

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by duke1965 on 01 February 2012 - 17:02

to use the words of ronny himself , eros is not a tom like dog , but much more a mothertypical dog

tom was a more hard stubborn tough dog , where eros could be called more easy in obedience etc , not to take away anything from any dog , but to make a simple statement , eros and como are more pointdogs were Tom was definately not

I would say Vito waldwinkel produced several nice dogs , and for continuation of the line , I would put my money there , and not on eros and como offspring

by destiny4u on 01 February 2012 - 18:02

i am confused who is eros

why does tom have a reputation of a points dog also?

by BlackthornGSD on 01 February 2012 - 19:02

tom was a more hard stubborn tough dog

That matches what I would consider typical traits coming down from Robby Glockeneck and also sometimes from Orry vh Antverpa, although I think very high prey drive, stubborn, tough from Orry.

Christine

by BlackthornGSD on 01 February 2012 - 19:02

There's some overlap with the discussion in this thread: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/forum.read?mnr=167707#168096

Elute/Eros vd Mohnwiese: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=123867

Vito: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=330423

Como: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=494755

by destiny4u on 01 February 2012 - 20:02

thank you blackhorn

what did ruth bring to the table? no one ever mentions her? did his serious side come from her?

she has been used a lot and has been paired with a lot of dogs hasnt she.

by BlackthornGSD on 01 February 2012 - 21:02

I think Ruth brings aggression and dominance through her grandfather Fax. She probably brings other stuff as well, but what I saw directly from Orry sons (and Olko) was very high prey and hardness and lacking somewhat in aggression--they could be locked in prey in the bitework.

by skilaki on 01 February 2012 - 23:02

"tom was a more hard stubborn tough dog"

He must have had other qualities also to make him a winner?

What other qualities did he have, that might balance these out?

by Gusmanda on 02 February 2012 - 05:02

interesting to see, there are 2 Toms on PDB, needs fixing:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=49653

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=388354

by duke1965 on 02 February 2012 - 08:02

@ skilaki , the qualities of ronny vandenberg made him a winner

by skilaki on 02 February 2012 - 08:02

Yes, I can appreciate that duke1965, a brillliant dog without a decent handler (not saying Mr Vandenberg was just decent!) cannot accomplish much, but it also takes a high quality dog to win at that level, a mediocre one wouldn't make it at that level, just in my opinion of course.

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