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by marycortes on 06 December 2021 - 18:12

What do you guys think about breeding father - daughter?
I'm curious about what would happen to the puppies. I don't really understand about line breeding and inbreeding, and I'm not going to do it. What are your thoughts?
Thank you!

by imjgodwin on 06 December 2021 - 23:12

You need at least 3 generations separating them before even considering a breeding. Then I would still look for an un-related dog to bred with.


by Koots on 07 December 2021 - 10:12

Linebreeding has it's uses and place - IF the person doing it totally understands it, knows how/when to do it, and knows the dog(s) being linebred upon. The SV does not allow a closer breeding than 2-3/3-2 anyhow. If you don't know what that means then there's lots of info on this site & others about reading the inbreeding coefficient on a pedigree.

by Mike Delaney on 07 December 2021 - 10:12

There is no reason to breed this close. There are too many quality studs around to use. there is nothing "So Great!" about any one dog that breeding this close would warrant.



by DuganVomEichenluft on 07 December 2021 - 12:12

Anything closer than a 2-3/3-2 is considered Inbreeding. Inbreeding and Linebreeding are somewhat different. Usually inbreeding is considered to be breeding among first-order relatives (e.g., sibling to sibling, parent to offspring), and linebreeding is a fuzzy version of "not as close as inbreeding".

As said above, there is NO reason to inbreed. And in some cases, no reason for linebreeding.

by Klossbruhe on 07 December 2021 - 13:12

I agree with all of the above posters. Don't do it. But, it is interesting to note that Walter Martin a very famous and successful breeder did it a couple of times back in the 70s. He had his reasons, and he knew what he was doing and he had some good dogs from it. But he stopped doing it pretty quickly before the SV came after him...and before he had a disaster.

by Diamondgal on 08 December 2021 - 11:12

Unless you have fifteen years or more involved in breeding any animal - DON'T DO IT!

Think of a slot machine with five slots. With inbreeding, you are locking four tumblers in place, thereby, using only one tumbler for any and all problems to crop up. Any problem from that one tumbler MIGHT be corrected by going to an outcross breeding.


by charlie319 on 15 December 2021 - 13:12

The O. P. Sounds more curious about the hypothetical outcome.

Here's a nice amount of information that may serve her interests and curiosity on the issue:

Part of the linebreeding issue with the breed, in my opinion, has to do with the bottlenecks that take place when hyper-popular studs or females are over used in relation to tbe general population. Case in point, Vegas, Remo, Fero (in WL's)... Among females Flora and Palme (and maybe Merit v Wildsteigerland) come to mind... I'm certain there are more.

Anyhow, I hope the O.P. finds the information helpful.

by kelcole64 on 15 December 2021 - 19:12

Admin edit. Removed unsubstantiated claim, if you have proof post it if not then quiet down. mrdarcy (mod)

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by The Organic Pet on 15 December 2021 - 23:12

I don't understand why anyone would want to breed Father - Daughter.
I agree with and have learned a few things by the commenters here.
Unless you are extremely knowledgeable on genetics, it's an awful idea.

No one has mentioned the potential for extreme or weak temperaments or neurological disorders being exponentially propagated.
That can create a dangerous situation where either human or the dog itself could be in some serious trouble.

We have enough issues in the breed with the folks out there who think health testing is a racket.

BYBreeders who sell $250 to $500 + for a puppy with no regard to the health and future of the pup, not to mention the bitch whelping. I'm still amazed when people tell me that they think $1800-$2500 is too much for a dog! The desire to make a buck combined with willful ignorance is mind-blowing.
Education is urgently needed!
That is a goal of mine and will be producing a podcast to attempt to help with that very thing!

KELCOLE64 -- how do you know that they already bred them? Or are you guessing?

Just my two cents. Thanks for the interesting conversation. S.


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