Russian bloodlines - Page 1

Does anyone know anything about these bloodlines, Kiridesja, Colombian, Nash Van Hildernisse, Bristol Vom Patriot?

Андора с Вятских Холмов

I know nothing, but would also like to learn.

When you track the pedigrees back, which line(s) do they come from?

Are these dogs Russian line German Shepherds or Eastern European Shepherds, which some call a separate breed?

don't know about Bristo vom Patriot, but Drago vom Patriot is WGWL.

Nash pedigree is on here.

Nash

Nash's Breed Report  [also his Dam's]  written in Dutch, so KNPV training ? Not a huge dog @ 32 kg. Does any of this help with determining how his ancestry / genetics might figure ? Generation 5 seems typical German working breeding of late 80's / 90s.

I have a question also about the Russian boodlines. And I dead serious with this question, how is it that once these same showline dogs are bred in russia, suddenly they are producing solid black showline pups, when i have not seen or heard of them being produced from same exact lines in the United States or Germany. believe me, i have done a fair share of pedigree research , i search all offspring, aunts, uncles and don t find blacks, until they get to either Russia, or Serbia.
Now i do know of one breeder that crosses her dogs just enough to keep them up to par with the work ability and the conformation. She has some of the most beautiful showline dogs, perfect in every way, but her colors can be explained by rersearching her dogs There are a good many tho that the pedigrees don t shed no light on. They go back to same red and black, same red and blacks then, wham, black dog, black dog, and not only are some black, they are beautiful long coat solid black shepherds from traditional stock coat red and black showlines. Have the Germans been hiding their black showline dogs for all these years, as well as the American and Canadian Breeders.
Anyone know any helpful answert or explanation for this> Just curious. Has the black genes been masked until these more recent years?

There is a dominant black gene.

is the dominant black gene a mutation? unless I missed something, black was recessive in the GSD until the Russian dogs. have always been curious. have only seen pics, but some handsome dogs.

There's an old thread here on PDB :

https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/community.read?post=607513-the-dominant-black-gene

...that discusses the dominant black gene.

not much russian about it, dutch and german lines, I sold multiple dogs to russia, doesnot make them russian lines LOL

kiridisja is jan louwerens from friesland(north part of netherlands), seen some nice dogs from him back in the days when I trained overthere, Nash van de hildernisse was owned by Jan en Patty (kiridisja