Temperament Test for CHIC - Page 3

Can you get a large enough group together, to cover the cost of travel for one of the judges?

Here is a list of them, which we have used in the past to fly someone in:

http://gsdca.org/events/temperament-testing

I also agree that the ATTS test should be substitutable across breeds.  However, I think they way they score the approaching stranger in the TT is slightly different than the in TC.  Quite a few people in my club have done both.  Also note, the AKC will accept and list the TT on a Doberman's records, but will not do the same for a German Shepherd with a TC.

I agree, anything you do with your dog gives you valuable information as well as building a bond and having fun.

i do have an issue with the fact that many breeders use the fact that their dog passed the TT as proof that they have correct temperament. They also claim the CGC is a working title. As a CGC evaluator, I see value in the CGC and the CGCA but would like to see a dog that is being breed with more working titles. If not IPO, then a CD, tracking, etc.

The BH may not be a temperament test but it does show more than the TT, the 10 items tested do not, In my opinion represent what we are looking for in the breed. For example, one of the items is a gun shot and ideally the dog should startle at the sound and then "recover" ( or at least that is what was explained to me when my dog received a low score in this item because she did not react at all to the gunshot.)  She also scored low because she did not react to an umbrella being opened in her face. She still passed easily but I couldn't understand the reasoning in how they scored the various items.

My 10 year old Sch 3 didn't get a high score either, enough to pass . The tester did "warn" me that many times Sch titled dogs aren't fooled by the threatening stranger and mine wasn't. She showed enough interest to pass but I could tell she wasn't really thinking of him as a threat. I can't remember for sure, but I don't think the umbrella made much of an impression on her either. I also showed her for her CGC  the same weekend and for the most part she acted bored and was ready to go home and get on the couch LOL. For me, with her, it was just a fun thing to do and to support the local club. I did it with my ASL to try do get a better understanding of her. She was 3 1/2 when I got her and had already had 7 homes, so the BH, and TC were good learning experiences for me.

I agree that it takes a lot more than a TC or a CGC to prove a dog is breed worthy. For me to breed another litter of any breed of dog, both the sire and the dam would need to be able to drive the SUV and shop for my groceries and then I'd probably still have to think about it.

The BH was never used as a test for "breedable temperament".
This "test" was introduced as a minimum of an education test ( necessary over here, especially for the bigger breeds ).
Some standard commands, neutral behavior ( cars, bicycles, people ).
BH test: Is the dog in question well educated and socialized ? Yes/No
Again - this is NO temperament test.

Been trying to say the same for years and yet, people still believe it's a Temperament Test. It's not and never will be a temperament test. 

I hate to disagree with Susie. I generally like and agree with everything she says but in this case I have to disagree with her.

The bh is literally a companion dog test to test the temperament of the dog(and recently the education of the owner) to ensure that the dog can be a safe part of society before ever being allowed to perform protection at a trial.

This is why they have to show the minimum heeling, but their temperament is tested with strange people, strange crowds, cars, joggers, bicycles, and neutral dogs. They are also tied out and the handler moved out of the dogs sight and tested at a minimum with strangers walking by and a strange dog walking by.

Furthermore, here in the U.S. the judges critique the dogs overall temperament and they write comments about the temperament on the judging sheets that get turned in to the USCA office along with the rest off the trial paperwork.

I trialled a bh dog under Raino Fluegge who at that time was the head judge of Canada and he made it quite clear that he was testing temperament.  The dog I had at the time was an aggressive male who also had a tendency to dog aggression.  I did extensive training on this dog for his behavior and I was the only one who passed that weekend.  Raino wasn't fooled for a minute though. He saw my dogs temperament and he called it 100 percent correct. The only reason we passed is because The training kept it all under control.

If it wasn't a temperament test then I don't think the judges would spend so much time talking about that in their critiques.

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I always assumed the BH was intended to be a basic test of both OB and temperament done to prove that dog was ready to advance to IPO training. The dog needs to pass both phases before he can be trialed for an IPO1, correct? I'm not sure why the AD is optional, doesn't seem to me that it should be.

AD is required for a breed survey unless the dog is over 6 years old.

The AD is to prove proper working structure is maintaned and it is tested through the AD.  Only need to prove this for breed worthiness.  An IPO title on it's own doesn't prove breed worthiness so an AD is not required for the IPO titles. 

Okay. I understand now. Thanks.

"The bh is literally a companion dog test to test the temperament of the dog(and recently the education of the owner) to ensure that the dog can be a safe part of society before ever being allowed to perform protection at a trial. This is why they have to show the minimum heeling, but their temperament is tested with strange people, strange crowds, cars, joggers, bicycles, and neutral dogs. They are also tied out and the handler moved out of the dogs sight and tested at a minimum with strangers walking by and a strange dog walking by."- bzcz

This is exactly what the BH is, a temperment test. But i did not realize that somepeople thought the BH was used as a BREEDABLE TEMPERMENT test.