Javir - the necromancer; make this make sense - Page 1

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/search.html?q=Javir+vom+Talka+Marda&index_in=All&results_in=25&dog_breed=

from another thread where i could not remember the dogs name;

this is the internet sensation dog that the fan-boys claim has the pivotal genetics to save the gsd breed.

according to the internet and some members here (no names mentioned) this dog carries the genetics to bring back the extinct first line thus staving off the inevitable bottle-neck facing the breed and opening up pedigrees.

he has the conformation attributes (phenotype) to correct the "incorrect" working lines and has the nerve base and temprement to instill the correct working attributes ie nerves, courage, drive...into the show lines without compromising the "superior" structure and type charcateristic of the show lines.

could someone please explain for the idiots like myself how this all comes to be.

i am not knocking what is clearly a nice dog - i just want some explanation to these extraordinary claims in order to learn.

Fan boys? Is this an apple vs PC thread? Xbox v PlayStation? Fan boys? Really. I've never heard that term regarding dogs lol. What kind of sites do you frequent? I've never heard javir regarded as any more than a very nice dog. I've never met him but have worked some nice daughters and sons. Will he save the breed? I dont know, but he's done his part with some good progeny

Well Javir has nice construction so would not be likely to upset showline breed type, though to be honest, showline construction is so fixed with inbreeding, I doubt any working line dog would change it, at least not in one generation.  Left it rather late, he's a bit old now for breeding.

Margaret N-J

My suspicion about all this, would be that some of the earliest dogs in the pedigree do not rely on Horand for linebreeding but rather, his siblings? That would then be a gene pool way of consolidating traits and still enabling the maintainance of the vigor. 

I am not a breeder so I probably have no clue. LOL

To call Javir an intenet sensation is very inaccurate and a slight for a dog that has accomplished so much. That aside I don't see how he would keep the breed from bottle necking. While he is bred very well he carries both Timmy and Troll. The majority of dogs out there now carry both of these dogs quite heavily.


Rick

Wow...you must be running on dial up, that dog was born 2003 and has 323 offspring 'listed',
       I think it requires a little more than one dog to save the breed.
Devoted breeders are what matters, and how they uutilize the dogs in their programs.

Wait.

Javir is Sauron?

 

You called, aarowsmith?




My thoughts exactly about Troll and Timmy. I don't see how Javir's breeding is all that different from hundreds of other dogs out there with those lines.

German Shepherd Dogs go back to six bloodlines:

2. Hettel Uckermark
3. Klodo Boxberg
4. Utz Haus Schutting
5. Rolf Osnabrucker Land
6. Cir Vrtovske doliny

In short all above bloodlines go back to one dog (Hettel). Which means almost all our GSDs go back to one single dog.

Klodo goes back to Hettel
Utz goes back to Hettel
Rolf goes back to Utz and thus again to Hettel
Cir goes back to Utz and thus to Hettel

By which dog the the 1st bloodline was started is not known , Javir does not go back to any of above bloodlines (dogs) 2-6, that is why it is believed it is from 1st bloodline which was thought extinct bloodline.
That means Javir does not go back to same dog, Hettel, like 99.99999999% of GSDs, which means he is VERY SPECIAL. His good sons should be utilized to widen up the gene pool of the GSD. Eventhough It does not help 100% since he too shares common dogs on the motherside, but still it does make a big difference.

 

Javir Goes back to common dogs on both his mothers side as well as his fathers. He's a very nice dog for sure but he doesn not stop the bottle neck. Again both Timmy and Troll (one on each side of parents) means that and bitches already linebred on the T-litter couldn't be bred to him.