Von Hunterhaus, 39 dogs seized - Page 43

Top Dog,

Nope, not crazy. I just happen to look at everything as a whole, not just pick bits and pieces like you seem to want to. I will tell you the issues with what you posted.

1. Dawn did not know Frank had the dogs. When she worked with the shelter she informed them which dogs were owned/co-owned by others. Frank was never in the picture.

2. The shelter broke the state laws and never allowed Dawn to even attempt to fix anything. I have never seen a case handled the way this one was.

3. If these dogs were so severely malnourished, why did not one of them require extra care? The only one that looked even the slightest underweight was the female that had just whelped pups. A few were even found to have been overweight, to include the 15 pound "malnourished" cat.

4. I take the pictures with a grain of salt. The pictures were taken 3 days after Dawn was banned from the residences and the dogs were left in their kennels by law enforcement and the shelter. My girl, as a pup, could completely defile a kennel in 4 hours. I can't even imagine how it would look after 3 days without allowing her to come out.

5. The kennels were also covered with cedar chips. The chips mixed with 3 days worth of poop and urine and would 100x worse than a kennel with nothing else in it. Appearances can be deceiving when set up to look that way.

6. Yvonne does have co-ownership. I have seen the papers and the pictures.

7. Apparently, enough people have proof of ownership that a lawsuit was allowed to move forward against the shelter. There was also more than enough proof for a court ordered stay to be put in place against the shelter. However, the shelter still continued to adopt dogs out regardless of the stay.

8. As far as the "worst case of neglect in New York", were you aware that this shelter had a huge seizure of twice as many dogs just 4 months prior? Ron Perez made the same exact comments in that case as with this one. "The worst case of neglect we have ever seen", yada, yada, yada. That case was actually a horrible case and the owner still has not been found.

9. You say Frank "saved" these dogs. He didn't save them. He took them and is now attempting to profit financially off of them. To me, that is dirty, underhanded, and inexcusable.

The shelter did nothing wrong , you forget people, they removed 39 dogs (unhealthy) dogs and pups.they needed to get them in good  and save places to live and to start getting healthy.No dogs we're stolen or given to just anyone. Dawn signed her rights away so the dogs could be placed.the shelter ask her to make a list of people that co- owned some dogs so that they could go there.the shelter didn't have to do that. Once Dawn signed the dogs over she was no longer owner.the only dog that is or will be shown for now is Danti, and why not that's what his co owner wants for him.and that's if his papers ever get released. But most of all these dogs are now living the way they should.Happy and Healthy, is that a problem.

Nobody is unhappy that the dogs not still at the shelter are in themselves

now healthy, happy and well cared for.   WHY, topdog, are you so determined

to twist this ?

Of course the HS 'did something wrong'  - there are enough posts on this b.

thred spelling out exactly what those things were.  Go back and read them.

Then if you can disprove them, say so.  If not, stop putting words in posters'

mouths ! 

1) Your wrong,Dawn new Frank had dogs, he is the one who picked them up.Frank was listed as the new owner of Embroh, Your being told lies.

2)Never let Dawn fix anything.She still has'nt fixed anything. the place is still a mess. The shelter had to remove the dogs ASAP,the conditions were absoulutly disgusting.She does'nt have the means to fix anything.

3)How would you know the condition of the dogs, you can tell there wieghts by a pic.We have proof. Her beloved Danti when removed 59lbs!!! a three year old male, 59lbs!!! Embroh 4 year old male 56lbs!!! Danti today 82lbs Embroh today 80lbs. and the cat was 15 lbs, thank god at one point it was over 20lbs. but you can't count the cat she was loose and more then likely eating other things she could find.

4) Who told you the pics were taken 3 days later Dawn? they were taken when they went to remove dogs the next day.Listian to the landlord on the video how sick she was when she saw what she saw.And if your pup can defile a kennel like that in 4 hrs then your just as bad.try taking your dogs out to mess. My 2 horses could'nt shit that much in a month.Wake up.

5)the kennels were filled with cedar chips, WHY? because when you don't take your dogs out to mess they have to mess in there crates.how nice to leave straw and cedar chips in the crates for the dogs.You say appearances can be deceiving, so can Hoarders..

6) Yvonne does not have papers for Danti, That's a bold face lie.After the dogs were siezed Dawn sign her name on the back of AKC papers, and wrote up a phony contract.Let's see the papers and pics.

)7 Will see who has proof of ownership, Show the AKC papers with there names, not bogus contracts written up after vthe dogs were siezed.

8)The shelter had a case of neglect (you said 4 months earlier) Maybe so but now this one takes the new top spot.

9)Yes indeed Frank and manny and others SAVED THEM,from you, O I mean Dawn. Trust me, no one is making money off of these dogs. You at one point said you hope that Danti would be shown he's to could of a dog not to be shown.So his co owner, now rightful owner is showing him. And I did say rightful owner, from birth, if you didnt try and screw him in the first place. that s another story.

OK now why don't all of you that think you know anything about this case or what you have been told by DV, just sit back and wait for judgement day. And just know that most of the dogs are living a far better life.Trust me.

Infact one last word to her so called friends that are fighting for her and cared so much about her dogs.WHERE WERE YOU WHEN ALL THIS WAS GOING ON!!!  HOW MANY OF YOU WERE INVITED TO HER HOME TO SEE HER DOGS.I know NONE!! LET IT BE, JUST LET IT BE.

The dogs were in a bad situation but not as bad as some we have witnessed.

That shelter has a lot of questions to answer. No shelter I have ever heard of has not vetted animals that were seized, not given out unneutered/unspayed animals unless there was a contract stating they were to be neutered and a statement from the vet who did the operation.

The dogs were in bad shape mainly due to the authorities not allowing DV to take care of the animals until  days later; then they go get them?  Who the hell does that? That just made the pics look that much worse.  Meanwhile, the shelter lines up the people who they will give the best ones to.

This just stinks all the much more.  These lawsuits are going to be very interesting to watch and I hope the rightful owners get their dogs back with monetary damages awarded.

I hope someone in the know screen grabs Frank's comments and hands them to the DA; especially if it can be proven it was not true.  I know none of these people involved but as someone who has decent skills of observation, I would someone is in deep do do and I am not only talking about the dogs.

What a huge FUBAR.

Top Dog,

1. Dawn did not know Frank had the dogs. I informed her of Dante and Embroh and have now updated her about Janga and Donna, so thank you for posting that info.

2. It's not up to you on whether someone is given an opportunity to fix a mistake. It is the state law in regards to cases like this. Everyone should be given an opportunity to fix an issue with follow up done by the authorities.

3. It is very easy to get a generalized picture of the condition of dogs by pictures. Hip bones were not showing, ribs were not showing, the coats were not matted. You keep talking about the weight. Where's your proof?

4. The police were called Saturday morning. The majority of the dogs were left in the houses until Monday afternoon with no care. Dawn was barred from the houses and the police and HS did not take the dogs out or feed them. This was also in violation of state law. Last time I looked, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday equal 3 days. As far as my pup, at 9 weeks of age she was in the kennel if we were not home. Pups poop and poop a lot. Unless you are the type to say crate training is abuse and would rather leave a 9 week old pup out to get into everything, I would rather keep mine safe.

5. Cedar chips are used to keep a potential messy situation a bit cleaner. Weather was hell during that time. I personally don't use them but it is called a personal choice for a reason.

6. Apparently, the judge thinks there is enough evidence of ownership on several dogs for this to go to trial. Keep that in mind. If there was no evidence, this wouldn't have made it onto the docket.

7. Goes right along with 6.

8. The case 4 months earlier is way worse and it would do you good to actually research it. You sound like a complete idiot by making that comment.

9. Last time I looked, my name isn't Dawn. Hell, I'm not even in New York. I am going off of individual research. I'm not the type to take a person's word. I do my own research and learn to make up my own mind. I refuse to be a lemming. If that's what you wish to be, by all means it's your right. I prefer having a mind of my own. BTW, Frank isn't his rightful owner. Why don't you do what you demand of me? Show your proof of ownership. You may also want to edit your #9 because it reads as highly uneducated.

Trust you? lol Trust someone that believes in "rescuing" a dog to make a profit off of breeding? My morals are better than that.

Jaggirl, DV has no say in these dogs, not now not ever, and thank god for that. You can tell her anything you like . Bottom line the dogs are living a much better life.No one is gaining anything from this except the dogs,  a chance to live a healthy and clean life.

DV should've been kicked out of dogs years ago, she's had more dogs die in her care then any 10 breeders I know.and if you know her then you know this to be true.She has no case against the shelter for any wrong doing, they did what needed to be done, and thank god for them.There is no plot to get her dogs, that's only in her mind.Everyone that knows her knows she never ever bred anything of high quality, except her long coat Danti, and only because of Manny de Bem.He found and bought the mother Donna, and bought DV in as a partner, then she screwed him out of his half of the litter and kept all money.Danti was his from the beginning. God works in mysterious ways.

If you don't know the real truth, Jaggirl please keep your comments to yourself. I know different. 

I'm sorry, but this is annoying me.  The dog's name is Dante, not Danti.

Top Dog,

You must be confused. Frank himself said Dawn told the shelter to give the dogs to him. You backed that up. Oh, but wait. Now she had no say and these dogs are now "rescued" and being placed in a breeding situation? Sorry, 2 + 2 does not equal 5, no matter what common core is teaching in schools. On top of that, I do not know Dawn. If you read my other posts you would have known that. The actions this shelter took set up a very dangerous precedence and if you cared about dogs, you would keep that in mind.

Xeph, thank you. It's been driving me nuts as well.

They say that about just about every time they do this, the humane society. Every case is the 'worst case'.

Regardless of the entire situation, I can 't say I blame Dawn for wanting to get her dogs back.

No one knows what happened with Dawn, that she found herself in that situation,( and if they did and did nothing to help her or the dogs while it was 'starting', they really shouldn t say nothing now either.

    I'm sure she didn t start with a plan to find herself in this boat...She must have had a good reputation with the dog people at one time for so many people to entrust her with their dogs.

( I do not know her, or anyone involved in this mess).

    At the time this happened, we had weeks of sub zero temperatures in NY. It is obvious she got overwhelmed

   All the talk of how underweight the dogs were, I'd be willing to bet money the humane socitety did not weigh these dogs, we are hearing from the people that wznt to paint a worse picture than what was already portrayed.

    I in no way am condoning the way the dogs were kept, but I also find so many other things with this case, equally disturbing, 

    I really don't believe the AKC would turn over the registration papers to people that got a dog through rescue. 

    I also don't believe ANY judge has any legal grounds to order ANY of the adopters, the registration papers and the right to breed these dogs...If they do...WE ALL NEED TO WORRY.

     I  know there are so many interested people with this case, someone could probably get access to this information, by putting in a FOIA request to the court.

(I'm interested, but not that interested. I did some research on the law with some things, but I really don't know whats true, and whats not, and really don't have the time to waste.)

    I offered Dawn help, she did not take me up on my offer, so I'm not putting my nose, where it's not wanted.

And, I do find what the humane society, and others did here, very disturbing.

It really should be allowed to go like this...what ever 'this' is.