what do you think? - Page 1

I would like to get opinions on temperament and civil workability from this pedigree.  No need or use for nasty or bashing comments. However constructive criticism is welcome.
 
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2034663-dcs-litter

What makes either of these dogs breed worthy?  

Nonacona,
3 generations and further back were some good working dogs.  As for the sire and dam and 2nd generation who knows?  They are not very impressive.  If I was looking for a dog with good working ability, based on this pedigree I'd pass.  Nothing in the pedigree says anything more to me than perhaps mediocre working dogs.  You can't base your working ability of a litter on all of the dogs in the back of the ped.  The first couple of generations have to offer something as well.  I don't see these dogs being so prepotent to produce better than themselves.     Definitely, not a breeding to do for working ability, IMHO.  

I'd be very worried about hips and elbows based on that pedigree.  

I would have to see the dogs and pups to give comment on their temperament even if they were full of titles And that would only be *my* observations. It would be interesting to have no pedigrees available at trial and show judgment, but available after scores and placment to confirm illegitimacy. Just a funny ideal of mine :) I dont have any familiararity with the names so cant..but if you are close enough to visit that would be the best bet!

Sherman, I totally agree with you.  Seeing for oneself is the best way to evaluate a breeding.  I did a photo shoot of the male listed as the sire on this pedigree.  I was just curious as to what others would think..  Thanks for your imput.

Slamdunc, Thanks for your imput also.  That is all I wanted opinions on, nothing else. I knew you were capable of doing just that. Now if only I could get you to realize that I am  HUTCHINS, you might not always be so quick to look for reasons to be argumentative on all my post.  

Now if only I could get you to realize that I am  HUTCHINS, you might not always be so quick to look for reasons to be argumentative on all my post.  
LOL!   We know better.  

You asked for opinions on a breeding, I gave mine.  I'm sure you'll breed these dogs; if you haven't done so already.  I don't find either dog to be breed worthy based on pedigree alone and certainly not with out hips, elbows.  That would be the minimum.  If these dogs were mine I would not be breeding either of them and certainly never to each other.  

Certainly, you know by now that asking for an opinion of a breeding with no OFA on either parents and plenty of fast normal and fair hips in the pedigree is going to come with some criticism.  I'd think you would know better.  Then again.................

I  can not say anything good or bad about pedigree I do not know the dogs on. In the second and first generation I do not recognize the dogs nor the breeding programs. Then there is a fake "z Pohranicni straze" name which may be a red flag and the parents do not have listed hips evaluation. That said that does not mean that the dogs produced are bad and that parents are dysplastic or not x rayed.However there are  3 out 4 dogs with fair hips and there are other in former generations. Specifically THAT alone would turn me away.  The question you need to ask your self is. Why am I interested in this litter?
Are you looking for a pet or breeding dog or dog for protection or S&R,.... If your gut feeling is telling you this may be a good breeding for your purpose, then you need to do more homework. You need to get the hips of the parents evaluated, see their temperament , protectiveness and prey drive. You may want to go one more generation back and do the same there.   The 3rd generation has known dogs in it and if you do not know them and what they produced then you need to do your research there too. Then if all looks good you need to observe the litter for a while and test pups drives and see their general health. You should also look for uniformity of the litter. If litter is not uniform that may be cause for suspicion, but it does not mean that the one pup or more pups are not good for your need. Then you need to see if the breeder produces more then one litter every 5 years so that he can replace the dog if something goes wrong. Is this a repeated breeding then you should go and find the dogs from the first breeding and see if you like them and see their hips and elbows.  That is one of the best ways to see what you may get. 
Breeding dogs is not easy and buying is also very hard. You need to have good report with the breeder so that you can trust him/her to help you to sElect the right pup. Are they knowledgeable and experienced to do so? What did the produced in the past? 
Prager Hans

Slam, I am not here to debate you. I do not know you other than from this forum. I do not care who you are.  I simply asked for opinions on specific things, which I told you I appreciated your input.  

It amuses me, that you know that I have already bred this litter, when I do not own either one of these dogs.  I don't really care what you would breed or not,that was not my question. Its obvious that neither dog listed as sire or dam is not certified nor listed as being xrayed. Its obvious there are other dogs in the pedigree that are not listed as even being xrayed.  Opinions on that was not the purpose of my thread.  But thanks anyone for your input.

Sorry you are so fixated on me being nonacona.  Till now, I have not commented on that, thinking you would realize on your own but that doesn't seem to be the case. I am here to enjoy what this forum has to offer, share things and ask questions. I am not here to identify anyone or prove to anyone who I am.  I joined this forum as Hutchins, post as Hutchins and I DO NOT portray myself to be someone I am not. So if you have a problem with what I post, please feel free to ignore them or not respond. Everyone has an opinion, and there are many people here that are here only for the breed, not to accuse others of doing things they haven't done or to accuse people of being someone they are not.  

But as always, all opinions are welcome. 

HUTCHINS

Thanks Prager.  Like I stated previously, I did a photo shoot on the dog.  These are NOT my dogs. I did NOT breed theses dogs.  I know nothing about these dogs. I was just curious as the owner of the male said she did have puppies by this pair.  She did say they were xrayed. That is all I know.  I do not have much faith in what people say as far as, "They are xrayed."  I have no intentions of purchasing a puppy from this. Was just curious as to what others think of the pedigree..

Thank you so much for the very informative post!