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by ramgsd on 05 June 2013 - 14:06
Why doesn't this organization have more clubs and trials. I've looked in my area, the Ohio, Mich. Indy area and there are hardly any out there. Am I not seeing them or are there just not many in this area?
by zdog on 05 June 2013 - 16:06
There used to be more, but since everyone had to make a choice there are far fewer. A couple years ago I belonged to a dual club and held WDA and USA trials every year. There was another wda club fairly close that had at least one if not 2 trials per year as well. But a lot of WDA members buy titled dogs and show them or send them to germany for titles then get them back and show them. a lot of them do have a focus on conformation. Doesn't mean we all did. Most of the WDA members I knew actively trialed their dogs, most were also dual members too.
But since we were forced to chose, their are move trials available with USA so a lot ended up switching rather than being the lone island with nowhere else in a region to trial other than your own field ever. Kind of stupid if you ask me as I never noted any difference at all in the trials between one org or the other. Or the judging. Fast forward to today and everyone has to pick a "side" It would be nice just to be able to train and trial our dogs under the same standard regardless of the letters of the org we're trialing under.
But since we were forced to chose, their are move trials available with USA so a lot ended up switching rather than being the lone island with nowhere else in a region to trial other than your own field ever. Kind of stupid if you ask me as I never noted any difference at all in the trials between one org or the other. Or the judging. Fast forward to today and everyone has to pick a "side" It would be nice just to be able to train and trial our dogs under the same standard regardless of the letters of the org we're trialing under.
by SitasMom on 05 June 2013 - 18:06
Find a group of people and create your own club.
by YogieBear on 05 June 2013 - 19:06
It has always been this way - even before USA waged war on WDA - USA always has had more offerings than WDA....... Once upon a time there was a club in Alabama that was USA - there was a particular club member that was on the outs with USA - as a club we decided to go WDA - the club member was a world competitor - so he got to the world via WDA - but when it can time for us little people to trial our dogs - there was no clubs in the South to trial our dogs at - other than having a trial ourselves................As a club we decided to go back to USA because they then had the no other affliation rule.............So you see - it has always been limited with WDA - doesn't matter what state you live in - they just don't have the offerings that USA has ..........And give me a break - you can start a club - but it is a big chore to put on a trial ever so often just to trial your club dogs - with no support from surround clubs so you can trial your dogs there as well........
YogieBear
YogieBear
by Mystere on 05 June 2013 - 19:06
WDA has ALWAYS had far fewer clubs and far fewer trials. That was the situation for years prior to the "JA." The JA had nothing to do with it. USCA from the mid-90's had a provision in the bylaws prohibiting clubs from being dual clubs (meaning USCA and WDA); it simply wasn't really enforced. Most of the "dual" clubs even had the same or very similar names for both clubs.
Part of the "issue" is the lack of any requirement for WDA clubs to ever host a trial, and no requirement for notice to other clubs of the few trials that are held (unless that has recently changed). Some clubs will have trials, even multiple trials every year, because the members are training with the intention of trialing and titling their dogs. However, let's be frank, some clubs would never, ever go to the expense and effort of hosting a trial, if they were not required to do so. IMO, that lack of a trial requirement is a major reason for the "complaints" by WDA members that they did not have enough trials to enter, if they could not enter USCA trials. When Danny Spreitler was WDA prez, his administration did, very briefly (like 2 years), have trial requirement. However, the membership got rid of it.
If WDA members want more trials, there is nothing preventing WDA clubs from having them.
Ramgsd: You are in the USCA Mid-East region, one of USCA's biggest and best-run regions with clubs in the double-digits, and a regional championship with IPO 3 entries often numbering 30+. There are plenty of trials in the region.
Part of the "issue" is the lack of any requirement for WDA clubs to ever host a trial, and no requirement for notice to other clubs of the few trials that are held (unless that has recently changed). Some clubs will have trials, even multiple trials every year, because the members are training with the intention of trialing and titling their dogs. However, let's be frank, some clubs would never, ever go to the expense and effort of hosting a trial, if they were not required to do so. IMO, that lack of a trial requirement is a major reason for the "complaints" by WDA members that they did not have enough trials to enter, if they could not enter USCA trials. When Danny Spreitler was WDA prez, his administration did, very briefly (like 2 years), have trial requirement. However, the membership got rid of it.
If WDA members want more trials, there is nothing preventing WDA clubs from having them.
Ramgsd: You are in the USCA Mid-East region, one of USCA's biggest and best-run regions with clubs in the double-digits, and a regional championship with IPO 3 entries often numbering 30+. There are plenty of trials in the region.
by zdog on 05 June 2013 - 20:06
bullshit. I was a part of both, I see what happened in this area. There were at least 2 clubs that were dual that held trials for both orgs that are no longer. The JA had nothing to do with :) You're funny
by Rik on 05 June 2013 - 22:06
when it comes to managing a club, putting on trials, I doubt many responding have more experience than yogie.
two or three can form a club and good advice. finding a quality helper is the sticking point for those of us in the boon docks.
two or three can form a club and good advice. finding a quality helper is the sticking point for those of us in the boon docks.
by ramgsd on 05 June 2013 - 22:06
LOL. Sorry folks just making a point to those anti-UScA folks posting on here lately.
by zdog on 05 June 2013 - 22:06
why be like them? I knew a lot of good people in the WDA, I was one. I still know some. I think it's ridiculous we can't trial our dogs under the same standard as each other with the same qualified judges and helpers. I've been a part of at least 10 trials for each org as a participant or a helper and I can tell you there isn't a bit of difference between them. I can't stand conformation really :) sorry confo people, but I can't. and we put on confo shows for BOTH orgs as well and again, there isn't anything that happens in one, that doesn't happen in the other. Everything else is a pissing match because some people want their "side to win" whatever that means. Go train, trial, make friends and memories.
by Rik on 05 June 2013 - 23:06
zdog,I was a member of GSDCA many years, then WDA and UScA. I never had a problem under any organization. Did my dog's LBZ under UScA.
WDA and UScA all good to me, through after 30 years with the GSD in the U.S., I think UScA is on the right track.
jmo,
Rik Atchley
WDA and UScA all good to me, through after 30 years with the GSD in the U.S., I think UScA is on the right track.
jmo,
Rik Atchley
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