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by VIANDEN on 04 May 2013 - 01:05
I will have them redone for OFA. This is a 2yr old female.


by Hundmutter on 04 May 2013 - 04:05
Her hips don't look bad, but I can't say the same for the
plate ! Think your Vet, or whoever, needs to get a better
X ray machine ...LOL
plate ! Think your Vet, or whoever, needs to get a better
X ray machine ...LOL
by Blitzen on 04 May 2013 - 09:05
Can't tell much, need to see a better xray.

by Sunsilver on 04 May 2013 - 12:05
Even though it's a lousy x-ray, the sockets look nice and deep, and the ball of the hip looks to be well seated. I would guess good, or at least fair.
But yeah, get them retaken before submitting to OFA!
But yeah, get them retaken before submitting to OFA!

by CMills on 04 May 2013 - 18:05
Yes they definitely need to be redone prior to submitting to OFA, but look like passing.

by Cullin Daggett on 04 May 2013 - 21:05
Positioning is bad, and the X-ray is not very clear. Best guess is OFA: good
by jmopaso on 05 May 2013 - 21:05
Why don't you do PennHip? It can be done as early as 16 weeks. You get the Distraction Index, which is a true, scientific measure of the hip laxity. A DI less than .30 is clearly indicative of a dog who will never in its lifetime experience osteoarthritis of the hip joint.
The data is absolutely clear from PennHip that if breeders of German Shepherd Dogs will use as their breeding stock, dogs from the tighter 40% of the population that we can breed hip issues out of the lines totally in 3-4 generations.
OFA only uses the extended hip view for evaluation. I have seen a number of dogs who looked pretty good on extended hip view, who did not turn out to have very good PennHip DI's. This is real science, not just an opinion.
The problem is that there are too many breeders out there who are afraid of PennHip because the method clearly shows the true status of a dog's hip status, so they will go to OFA or the Sv to try to get an acceptable hip score from a dog who really has a lot of hip laxity so they can feel ok about breeding it and passing on the problem. It happens all the time.
One must look at all of the factors when considering dogs for breeding, temperament, workability, etc, but in the GSD, isn't hip health a big priority deal? So why is PennHip not the "gold standard"? why accept anything less?
The data is absolutely clear from PennHip that if breeders of German Shepherd Dogs will use as their breeding stock, dogs from the tighter 40% of the population that we can breed hip issues out of the lines totally in 3-4 generations.
OFA only uses the extended hip view for evaluation. I have seen a number of dogs who looked pretty good on extended hip view, who did not turn out to have very good PennHip DI's. This is real science, not just an opinion.
The problem is that there are too many breeders out there who are afraid of PennHip because the method clearly shows the true status of a dog's hip status, so they will go to OFA or the Sv to try to get an acceptable hip score from a dog who really has a lot of hip laxity so they can feel ok about breeding it and passing on the problem. It happens all the time.
One must look at all of the factors when considering dogs for breeding, temperament, workability, etc, but in the GSD, isn't hip health a big priority deal? So why is PennHip not the "gold standard"? why accept anything less?

by CMills on 05 May 2013 - 21:05
@jmopaso-yes PennHip is definitely more accurate, but is also usually twice as expensive or more than OFA. I know here in Ky one can do OFA hips AND elbows at about $280, but to do PennHip of hips ONLY (since they don't do elbows) it is close to $500. I know because I've done both. I don't like the fact that you can't do both hips and elbows at one time with PennHip, since the sedation is a big part of the vet bill.
by SitasMom on 05 May 2013 - 23:05
PennHip doesn't have an online database for potential customers to check for themselves........
Does the SV accept PennHip for breedsurveys?
Does the SV accept PennHip for breedsurveys?
by Blitzen on 05 May 2013 - 23:05
I don't think it's fair to say that breeders don't use Penn Hip because they don't really want to know the true status of their dogs' hips. There are pros and cons to Penn Hip the same as for OFA.
http://workingdogs.com/ofa_penn.htm
http://workingdogs.com/ofa_penn.htm
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