Would an Ethical breeder? - Page 1

Would an ethical breeder breed their VA male to an untitled female that was not even AKC registered let alone certified for hips/ elbows? and if so for what possible reason? this one still has me scratching my head......the female is a purebred shepherd, but was never registered , and can't be, was never screened for HD ED, and also is not titled

who really knows why people do what they do!  I've been scratching my head at alot of things I see and hear lately.  But when all is said and done, everyone has a logical reason for what they did. 

I have such a hard time with this one. The person that bred the female is also an Animal Control officer. It's just soo wrong to me on so many levels , 

There are puppies to sell and they have buyers lined up. Must be why!  Why is that difficult to comprehend? They aren't breakng laws, and you don't need their dogs, same old story! Somebody else,  NEEDS those puppies!

Didn't you hear again, GSD is second most popular AKC breed, the report just out! 

I heard about that when I was watching the news, Beetree. That only means trouble down the line. The German Shepherd dog rescues and shelters are going to be flooded up with these pure breed GSDs soon enough. I wonder how many of these dogs will become victims of being euthanized because of the overpopulation of dogs? Not that Im trying to sound like diehard anti breeder activist over here, but I do see German shepherds being taken to HIGH KILL shelters from various of groups that I belong to on facebook. What a damn shame... and whats worst is that they don't look all that bad to me. When you think of shelter dogs you think of 1 thing... mix dogs... not pure breeds.

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by melba on 02 February 2013 - 17:02	melba Posts: 1536 Joined: Mon Jan 01, 2007 03:00 am
Sounds like another case of Money talks........ Ethical, no. Melissa
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by GSDRules on 02 February 2013 - 17:02	GSDRules Posts: 6 Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2013 04:56 pm
And to make matters worse the person with the female that was bred is an "Animal Control" officer......
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by GSDRules on 02 February 2013 - 17:02	GSDRules Posts: 6 Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2013 04:56 pm
very sad..... Mostly for the animals . i don't know what bothers me more the fact that the person with the female is an animal control officer, or that the owner of the VA male cares more about the money than the breed. It disgusts me , it really does
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by 1020ma on 02 February 2013 - 21:02	1020ma Posts: 26 Joined: Wed Oct 03, 2012 04:37 pm
Lol I think you already know the answer on this one. It is too bad about the amount of people who are so careless. THOUGH I have seen worse, still is unethical.
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by CMills on 02 February 2013 - 22:02	CMills Posts: 891 Joined: Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:27 am
Maybe trying to earn "brownie points" with his AC officer?? Not good no matter why.
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by Brittany on 03 February 2013 - 00:02	Brittany Posts: 2293 Joined: Wed Jun 18, 2003 06:20 am
After watching this clip It's safe to say that every single person who owns a VA dog in this time are out for the money, and not sake of improving the breed. I mean my goodness you can ask for a crap loads of money for your VA litter.... even know you're going to produce more camel Shepherds. "The breeding of Shepherd dogs must be the breeding of working dogs, this must always be the aim or we shall cease to produce working dogs." -Captain Max von Stephanitz "Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim" -Captain Max von Stephanitz What this breeder is doing is no different then what breeders in Germany are doing with their VA dogs.
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by CMills on 03 February 2013 - 00:02	CMills Posts: 891 Joined: Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:27 am
wow after watching that.video its amazing how much structure has changed over the years.
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i dont think its an ethics thing unless they try to sell the puppies under false pretenses...........i personally wouldnt do it, but, the only real issue i see, is the fact that the dog may not be healthy (no ofa done)............but the rest is up for debate, what does akc reg really mean, what does titleing really mean.............if their was a way to, if u unregistered , and untitled ur vvaa++++ dog, its still the same dog............those titles and akc reg stuff, IMO only give a certain type of buyer a sense of security, it doesnt change the dogs makeup in any way

i think ppl confuse their belief system with ethics, Ethics, also known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct..................u cant judge a person ethical background bassed on what u FEEL is right..........no if he knew dog had bad hips bred and told ppl dog was ok,,,,,,,,,i think whats being done is bad for the breed, silly, and a waste of time, but not an ethics violation..............ppl sell broken cars all the time, but they tell u HEY THIS CAR NEEDS A NEW ENGINE, they sell it to someone who wants a cheap car and is willing to work on it before driving it

"But when all is said and done, everyone has a logical reason excuse for what they did."

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Not enough info.  The first post makes it sound like the breeder owns both the VA male and the unregistered, untitled female but then it sounds like an AC officer owns the female?  So then are you really asking is it unethical for stud owners to allow breedings with females that are untitled, or unregistered, or don't have health certs?  Well to me that really depends.  For my stud dog I look at each individual female.  I have some minimum requirements for breeding but since I own the male of course I reserve the right to not allow any breedings to females even if they are titled and have several health certs, if I have a good reason to believe the combination/pedigree is terrible.  But I look at it case-by-case.  In this case, maybe the unregistered dog is actually a better specimen of GSD than the VA male..... titles and show ratings are not everything to me, I want to look at the actual dogs and the pedigrees.