Trying to understand naming convention - Page 1

Ok here goes,

I am looking through all the different bloodlines and was wondering  how the naming convention came about and the proper way it falls in order.


The way i always thought it worked was:

first dog's call name , Vom or Von (by) , location , kennel

Or something on that order


Can someone  teach me the right way please?

There isn't actually a 'right' way, Paul !  There are a set of conventions
and traditions, but not many actual rules.  The kennel clubs / registering
bodies in each country might have some limits on how many words or
letters you can use in each dog's name;  some don't.  You will find out what
applies to where you live if you want to register a puppy.


BASIC layout of dogs' names in MOST of the traditions are:

e.g.  say your dog is born at  ANIMELL's Kennel - his dam belongs to the
Breeder who owns that Kennel, and was bred there herself, so she is
officially called "Animell Anything".   The Stud dog used to produce your
dog (and the rest of his/her litter)  is from the "VON BEAST" Kennel;  he is
called " Benny Von Beast" {Benny FROM Beast} -  (OR  "Von Beast's Benny").  
Now the mother / dam MIGHT have a call-name  "Anything", or she might be
known as "Amy " at home.

Their offspring could be registered by the Breeder as: ANIMELL's  Cupid,
Cupcake, Comedian & Captain.  Or in the States I believe your breeders can
sometimes allow you to pick a name to register your puppy under.  So for
instance you might want to acknowledge the Animell's Kennel as a part of
the name [ or not ]; you might want to call your puppy by the name he is
registered under [or not];  So if Paul H lives at the DENTON kennel,  the dog
might be registered as "Denton's Prince from Animell" or something of the
sort, or maybe "Animell's Cupcake At Denton"...  or just "Denton Prince Cupcake".  

I am doing this for English-speaking breedings, because I'm not fluent in Czech,
but I believe much the same applies.  If you buy a Velmy Dobry puppy, it might  
come to you named "Yaroslav" on papers,  but I don't think there is anything to
stop you calling him "Yogi" at home / in Training.  Sure someone else will correct me
if I am wrong.

Some owners do one thing, some do another, some mix and match over the
course of several dogs owned. 

There are also other traditions, by which breeders keep tabs on which litters they
produce (especially where these are numerous):  all the puppies the first litter [or
year] will have 'A' names, all the second lot 'B' names, 3rd lot 'C', and so on.  But again
that doesn't mean you can't call your 'D' puppy "Rex" if you want to.  There are other
patterns as well, sometimes breeders use the names to indicate which Sire and/or
Dam was the parent (s);  sometimes there are clues to the coat colour of the pup.

Hope that wasn't too confusing !

Not confusing at all.

Years ago I owned and bred Dobermans. My dam was  Dutchess of Hilltop Von Hester my sir was Barron the Red Von Hester.

I named them and tried to honnor the kennel where I got Dutches with the of Hilltop  for Hilltop kennels. The Von Hester was from my last name Hester or from before my family came to America Horester.



Paul

Not bad HM.
In Germany, every litter is named with an assigned letter. 
So if someone wants to look at Asta von Fluffypants ahnentafel
(this is the German SV papers/pedigree) , they can see Asta had 6
other siblings, perhaps she had 5M-2F. You will also see the names 
and color of the siblings listed as well on your ahnentafel. So if one of 
Asta's littermates was name Aron von Fluffypants and was a black dog,
he would be listed as Aron-rude schwarz (male black). Now, if Asta
was older when you bought her, she would have her hips, elbows and 
dentition noted as well on her ahnentafel. And, if any siblings were titled, 
again it would be listed. Aron would be Aron-SchH3 schwarz. as well 
as hip/elbow etc info.

Normally the dogs registered name comes first, then the kennel name,
at least in Germany and North America (when dealing with Euro type dogs), 
AKC conformation dogs are a whole other ballgame.

Von, von der, vom etc all have different meanings as far as masculine/feminine.
Von der means 'from the'. The last part of a German name is the actual kennel
name. Example,Troll von der Bosen Nachbarschaft is Troll from the bad neighborhood.

The kennel name is usually derived from a place of special meaning to the
breeder. Now, you can call the dog anything you want, or, the AKC will allow 
you to change the dogs registered name too   Heck, you can even use an
established kennels name with the AKC, they don't seem to care

Lol.  I did not know what "Von" stood for.  Oops.  Baron's full name is  Baron From Eric; this is not acurate.  He is not from any kennel or sire named Eric.   We just call him that because is sounds cool:  Baron Von Eric.

Fawn I think you just made Workindogz last point for him !

WD  I didn't go into the Voms and Von Ders, Aus, Degli, etc etc
cos I was trying not to complicate matters, plus there's already
a current thred which spells all that out in detail !  But thanks
for adding it in, I think the OP had got the basic message and
was ready to get into more detail.  Can you answer a question
for me about the SV system:   I know, as you say, that each litter
gets assigned a letter, (always assumed that was on a similar
basis of litter creation order)  but is it a RULE ?   Who tells the
breeder which letter to use, the Breed Warden ?  It has seemed
to me in doing pedigree research that it isn't, or wasn't, ALWAYS
applied ?  (Can't think of an example at the moment - but there
have been German-registered litters with names starting with
different letters in them;  signifying two sires or something ?  ).

Also, is the AKC the same as the UK Kennel Clubs, in that there
is a maintained List of Kennel Names / Affixes, which you have
to pay annually for the right to use ?  Or not ?   Ta.

(Right now Cirberus' full name is Cirberus Spotted Tongue; as nothing else fits.  Every living thing needs a middle name, just so they know when they are really in trouble.)

Von and vom (von der, von dem) all really mean the same thing: of, from, of the....  How it is conjugated just depends on the gender of the noun in the prepositional phrase.  In Dutch you see van't or van het.

I have a German bred dog WGSL (bred in Germany but registered in the USA) and his name is "Alta-Tollhaus Bono".  His call name is Nikon and the kennel is Alta-Tollhaus.  It is less common for German/Euro bred dogs to have the kennel name first but not wrong especially if the dog is registered in the USA, which has no official naming convention.  His registered name is "Bono" because he's from the "B" litter, so we did follow that convention, but I've never called him that (he answers to Nikon or Noodle Brain, lol).

lol @ fawn middle name haha ............. @vkg, "noodle brain" lol

in Germany a breeder breeds his first litter, puppies names start with A, then von or whatever and kennel name, second litter from the same breeder with B and chronologically through the alphabet, after z starts over again, no 2 dogs can have the same name from the same breeder.  This is the rule, all littermates start with the same letter, if you have siblings with same father and mother starting with a different letter, it was not the same litter, maybe a repeat breeding.