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by derrick on 13 January 2013 - 21:01
About 6 years ago i was crucified here.Not having xrays on site there in medical section now.This kennel cost me about 7grand.Im still angry all information can be verified threw vet office including xrays.If you google kennel name or owner name comes up Beware of kennel.Just wonderd if someone would care to coment on this. Last time i checked GODS name started with G not R www.deryweb.com All i can do keep this site up for getting ripped off.Not a happy customer What would you do in this case thanks derrick
by dantes on 13 January 2013 - 22:01
I think you need to move on mate.
by Hundmutter on 14 January 2013 - 10:01
Hi Derrick
I doubt you were 'crucified' for not putting Dery's X ray pix up on here;
people on the forum can be outspoken (sometimes rude) but they
do not usually condemn people for just not having Xrays available.
Unless you subsequently downright refused to provide them ?
Yes this Belgian breeder (?) / dealer should not have been selling pups
IF HE KNEW THEIR PARENTS had uncertified or poor hips - but
there is an element of "buyer beware" here too; why buy a pup from
parentage whose hip score you don't have, or think good enough; you
might get lucky, but there is obviously increased risk. [And if your
argument is you didn't know of HDs existence @ the point you bought
your puppy, why buy any dog of any breed - especially shipped in unseen -
when you haven't done prior research ?]
Like Dantes says, its been six years; time to let it go, not dig it up again
for another moan.
Sorry, JMO.
Linda.
I doubt you were 'crucified' for not putting Dery's X ray pix up on here;
people on the forum can be outspoken (sometimes rude) but they
do not usually condemn people for just not having Xrays available.
Unless you subsequently downright refused to provide them ?
Yes this Belgian breeder (?) / dealer should not have been selling pups
IF HE KNEW THEIR PARENTS had uncertified or poor hips - but
there is an element of "buyer beware" here too; why buy a pup from
parentage whose hip score you don't have, or think good enough; you
might get lucky, but there is obviously increased risk. [And if your
argument is you didn't know of HDs existence @ the point you bought
your puppy, why buy any dog of any breed - especially shipped in unseen -
when you haven't done prior research ?]
Like Dantes says, its been six years; time to let it go, not dig it up again
for another moan.
Sorry, JMO.
Linda.
by Abby Normal on 14 January 2013 - 11:01
I agree, it's time to move on - life throws things at us and we have to deal with it rather than let bitterness take over. I have a dog with HD, from dogs with fantastic hip scores going way back. I was devastated at the time, but it was just unfortunate. More importantly (IMO) how is Dery doing?
by derrick on 15 January 2013 - 03:01
I did move on have 6 year old from zidane.He was just 10 weeks old when i got him had training done on him its been great Posted a pic of him on here when i saw his dad died. Abby i only tell rest of story if someone ask about dery.About 6months after surgery I was trying to correct him he bit me.There was no way i could correct him for what he did.First time i was scared of him.I had a friend bring him to my vet.I tried to give him away vet also tried It was if he bit you whats he going to do to me.Tried police departments they would take him if not hip problem.They didnt want to put time on him not noing if hip would hold up.Borded him for over a week no one would take him Iput him down.Thats when i decided for what the dog went threw and i went threw this site would be linked to this kennell for ever its cost him a few sales because people email me from site or tell me they just read it Anyone can say i should not own a dog or i was stupped for what im no longer emotionall about this I did what i had to do This site will always be up as long as i live for derry derrick
by Abby Normal on 15 January 2013 - 10:01
That's a very sad ending indeed. I am happy for you that you now have a dog who is healthy and happy, 6 years on.
All I can say is that I learned a great deal about HD, as you do once you have had more than one dog with it, as I have. I am very lucky, my girl is enjoying life to the max (she is the dog at the back in my avatar), this photo was taken on Boxing Day this year, and she is aged 10yrs 1 month in the photo.
All I can say is that I learned a great deal about HD, as you do once you have had more than one dog with it, as I have. I am very lucky, my girl is enjoying life to the max (she is the dog at the back in my avatar), this photo was taken on Boxing Day this year, and she is aged 10yrs 1 month in the photo.
by Hundmutter on 15 January 2013 - 12:01
I do not see the logic in your position Derrick.
You had a dog whose hips proved substandard;
so you had him operated on, and started pointing
out to anyone interested that the kennel you bought
him from was at fault. Despite the fact that you
chose to buy him from that kennel in the first place.
Fair enough as far as it goes that its a warning to
other purchasers of dogs that this was a supplier
who did not take proper care to manage his stock
to get good hips, if that was the case.
Did you update your info since then ? Can you show
that kennel didn't learn any lessons and still doesn't
bother about hip status ? If so, all well and good.
But somewhere along the line it has morphed into
"I didn't get a good temperament either, and I had to
put the dog down" ... and that is the sellers fault too ?
The piece on your website didn't mention that, and as
you replied to Abby you don't normally go into that detail
- but it sounds to me like it still helps fuel your campaign ?
You had that dog quite a while before you got the biting
incident, so there's no guarantee that was a matter of his
breeding.
You asked for comments, what would any of us do ? I am
still saying that it is time to let it rest, unless you can show
that the seller is still producing sub standard pups. [ I don't
care if you CAN say that, btw, I have no connection with the
guy so I'm not going to bat for him; just think you ought to
really move on, unless there is something current to expose.]
Harbouring bitterness isn't good for you.
You had a dog whose hips proved substandard;
so you had him operated on, and started pointing
out to anyone interested that the kennel you bought
him from was at fault. Despite the fact that you
chose to buy him from that kennel in the first place.
Fair enough as far as it goes that its a warning to
other purchasers of dogs that this was a supplier
who did not take proper care to manage his stock
to get good hips, if that was the case.
Did you update your info since then ? Can you show
that kennel didn't learn any lessons and still doesn't
bother about hip status ? If so, all well and good.
But somewhere along the line it has morphed into
"I didn't get a good temperament either, and I had to
put the dog down" ... and that is the sellers fault too ?
The piece on your website didn't mention that, and as
you replied to Abby you don't normally go into that detail
- but it sounds to me like it still helps fuel your campaign ?
You had that dog quite a while before you got the biting
incident, so there's no guarantee that was a matter of his
breeding.
You asked for comments, what would any of us do ? I am
still saying that it is time to let it rest, unless you can show
that the seller is still producing sub standard pups. [ I don't
care if you CAN say that, btw, I have no connection with the
guy so I'm not going to bat for him; just think you ought to
really move on, unless there is something current to expose.]
Harbouring bitterness isn't good for you.
by derrick on 18 January 2013 - 01:01
I dont care how hes running his place no one is going to do this to me and get away with it He knows exacly what he did Ihope this never happens to you or anyone else But if so you can deal with it in your on way derrick
by CMills on 18 January 2013 - 02:01
I have bought/imported puppies from Europe out of top hip scoring dogs for several generations back that have still developed HD, it can/does just crop up at times. No lines are completely void of it, and if anyone has had enough dogs we will all wind up with a dog with HD at some point in our lives, it just happens. Everyone knows that even top dogs with excellent hips can/do produce a dysplastic pup at some point in their breeding careers. So I don't think it's the breeders fault, sorry. JMHO
by vomeisenhaus on 18 January 2013 - 05:01
in all fairness id be a little pissed too.... if the information on this website is TRUE he purchased a 2yr old dog NOT A PUPPY from a well known kennel for $4500.00 and got a dysplastic dog. with all due respect to the op i think you should have asked about his hip status as in europe they are done at 12mo old. since you did enough research to have imported a dog from a well respected kennel in belgium im sure you were not ignorant to the breed and its health issues. unfortunately you learned a lesson the HARD WAY.
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