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by Hundmutter on 01 April 2012 - 20:04
WTF ! Do you think the person who bred these "Shepalute" mongrels had even heard of the UK use of the word Alsatian, or not ? ROFL, LMAO in fact. BUT what about that large GSD/Alaskan Malamute combination the Shiloh, that already exists, won't the breeders of those be pissed too?
by joanro on 01 April 2012 - 20:04
Hundmutter, you gave me a good laugh! Thanks, I needed that.
by Sunsilver on 02 April 2012 - 02:04
Dire wolves?? Now I've heard everything! 
The Shiloh folks could care less. The only thing that pisses us off is people claiming the Shiloh is only an oversized, long haired GSD! And, of course, those irritating slivers that are back-crossing Shilohs to GSDs, when the registry has been more or less closed since the introduction of the latest outcross in 1997. He was a long-haired GSD, registered with the Altdeutscher Schaeferhund Verband, but all his short-coated ancestors were SV registered.
http://www.shilohshepherds.com/trilliumadforlettercocoartus.PDF
The Shiloh folks could care less. The only thing that pisses us off is people claiming the Shiloh is only an oversized, long haired GSD! And, of course, those irritating slivers that are back-crossing Shilohs to GSDs, when the registry has been more or less closed since the introduction of the latest outcross in 1997. He was a long-haired GSD, registered with the Altdeutscher Schaeferhund Verband, but all his short-coated ancestors were SV registered.
http://www.shilohshepherds.com/trilliumadforlettercocoartus.PDF
by Hundmutter on 03 April 2012 - 15:04
Thanks joanro, glad it made you smile. The longer one thinks about it though, the less funny, more disturbing it is 'cos there's quite a lot which might go wrong temperament wise in mixing GSDs with other big heavy breeds e.g. Anatolians and Mastiffs yeah?. (I know lots of people worry about crossing with Malamutes (sorry Sunsilver) because of conflicting instincts for herding / chasing ?)
Even if there isn't much Shepherd left in the stew now.
Re Shilohs - I've recently had care of a supposed Shiloh here in the UK who has a normal coat
rather than being a long-coat - can anyone tell me if this would be a genuine specimen ? No
access to papers. He's a sable, about 5-6 years old now, very very tall, and a real sweetie.
Even if there isn't much Shepherd left in the stew now.
Re Shilohs - I've recently had care of a supposed Shiloh here in the UK who has a normal coat
rather than being a long-coat - can anyone tell me if this would be a genuine specimen ? No
access to papers. He's a sable, about 5-6 years old now, very very tall, and a real sweetie.
by Sunsilver on 03 April 2012 - 16:04
Yes, Shilohs come in both long and short-coat varieties. My shiloh's mom was a smooth coat, and her father a long (plush) coat:
http://epicchapter6.blogspot.ca/
There is not a lot of malemute blood in the Shiloh. That outcross was only done through the one dog, Secret Samson Woo, and he himself was not a pure malemute, but half GSD. Many Shilohs show an aptitude for herding, so the GSD instincts predominate.
The foundation lines are mostly American GSD, There were also outcrosses to a white shepherd from Hoofprint Kennels, and, as I mentioned above, the German longcoat GSD, Artus.
The breed was started by Tina Barber. Tina passed away last year from cancer, and her daughter, Lisa, now has charge of the breed. They are EXTREMELY strict about breeding, and all matings must have approval from the breed warden, Lisa. This is because the gene pool is still small, and careful attention has to be paid to avoid conformation and genetic problems. All dogs must pass a temperament test and have passing hip scores before breeding, too. A genetic task force tracks genetic issues within the breed, as has been quite successful in improving hips and eliminating some of the other problems that plague the American line shepherds.
Needless to say, some people don't care for these strict rules, and have gone off and done their own thing. There are a number of Shiloh registries that are NOT approved by the breed founder (her registry is the ISSR: International Shiloh Shepherd Registry.) The main splinter registry is the ISSDC, but there is also an alphabet soup of others: http://www.shilohshepherds.info/confusingAcronyms.htm
These 'splinter' registries are allowing outcrosses to German Shepherds, and close line-breeding/inbreeding. As a result, the dogs have lost height, the tails are a mess, and temperaments have suffered in the non-ISSR dogs. To the best of my knowledge, there are NO ISSR registered dog in England. However, it's possible the dog in question belongs to one of the other registries.
Or it could be someone who's crossed their GSD with a friend's malemute, and is calling it a Shiloh.... (Yes, this has actually happened!)
http://epicchapter6.blogspot.ca/
There is not a lot of malemute blood in the Shiloh. That outcross was only done through the one dog, Secret Samson Woo, and he himself was not a pure malemute, but half GSD. Many Shilohs show an aptitude for herding, so the GSD instincts predominate.
The foundation lines are mostly American GSD, There were also outcrosses to a white shepherd from Hoofprint Kennels, and, as I mentioned above, the German longcoat GSD, Artus.
The breed was started by Tina Barber. Tina passed away last year from cancer, and her daughter, Lisa, now has charge of the breed. They are EXTREMELY strict about breeding, and all matings must have approval from the breed warden, Lisa. This is because the gene pool is still small, and careful attention has to be paid to avoid conformation and genetic problems. All dogs must pass a temperament test and have passing hip scores before breeding, too. A genetic task force tracks genetic issues within the breed, as has been quite successful in improving hips and eliminating some of the other problems that plague the American line shepherds.
Needless to say, some people don't care for these strict rules, and have gone off and done their own thing. There are a number of Shiloh registries that are NOT approved by the breed founder (her registry is the ISSR: International Shiloh Shepherd Registry.) The main splinter registry is the ISSDC, but there is also an alphabet soup of others: http://www.shilohshepherds.info/confusingAcronyms.htm
These 'splinter' registries are allowing outcrosses to German Shepherds, and close line-breeding/inbreeding. As a result, the dogs have lost height, the tails are a mess, and temperaments have suffered in the non-ISSR dogs. To the best of my knowledge, there are NO ISSR registered dog in England. However, it's possible the dog in question belongs to one of the other registries.
Or it could be someone who's crossed their GSD with a friend's malemute, and is calling it a Shiloh....
(Yes, this has actually happened!)by Hundmutter on 03 April 2012 - 17:04
Sunsilver
The people the dog came from only knew him as a Shiloh and didn't apparently know anything about the ancestry / didnt mention the Malamute connection, my colleague and I were aware of it from advertising and other references to Shilohs in the past - all of which showed dogs with long
coats which was why I wondered. We were told he'd been born in England; but hand raised as dam had rejected him.
The people the dog came from only knew him as a Shiloh and didn't apparently know anything about the ancestry / didnt mention the Malamute connection, my colleague and I were aware of it from advertising and other references to Shilohs in the past - all of which showed dogs with long
coats which was why I wondered. We were told he'd been born in England; but hand raised as dam had rejected him.
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