SV website announcement Team Marlboro Jaguar - Page 14

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Click "Breeding Council", and down the bottom of the page there is a document titled "German Shepherd Dog Cub Health Plan 2009-2012" (Link in Danish: Schæferhundeklubbens sundhedsplan 2009-2012). The document says (translated to English):

"At present it is clear that there is no consensus on how the broad term AD (ED) shall be construed and evaluated between DKK (FCI) and SV. This makes it impossible to establish a control program. As of 1 april 2002, German Shepherd Dog Club volunteer photography of elbows, and dogs born after 30 June 2002 must be photographed for the AA to be breeding crowned. Voluntary photography ensures that dog owners have the right to suffer AD results on pedigree, puppy lists, breeding grading evidence and sight catalogs. It is our expectation that the majority of farmers so as to ensure this "stamp" as a part of the marketing both breeding males as breeding females. German Shepherd Dog Club Health Committee recommends that all German shepherd dogs to be avlkåres or displayed X-rayed and evaluated for AD. At the time of the creation of consensus and clarity about the area, Health Committee will present their recommendation of how to proceed in combating this disease. Until then, there will not be laid down rules for how AD results shall affect any manageable result or breeding approval. As has been the case previously, we will monitor progress through the statistics which are accessible from the GBP. Health Committee's clear recommendation that there should only used AD free individuals in the breed, and we will continue to provide information about the disease and focus on development."

I don't doubt what inx says, but I cannot verify it. It appears to me that in Denmark there is no scheme in place to measure and evaluate ED, although there is a recommendation by the Health Committee that only "AD free individuals" be used for breeding. There seems no requirement placed on the parents. I have no idea what nomenclature the Danish use for grading ED. Is it possible that "ED 2" is the equivalent of "ED free"?

From the article comparing the Australian scheme and the German scheme, you will see an odd system in Australia where a GSD with a "Grade Two" score may be suitable for breeding or may not! It all depends on the actual scientific measurements, i. e. the "fine print". That looks very dangerous to me, but a puppy-buyer or breeder can be re-assured by finding the official "Z" stamp.

My understanding is that because one of Harley's parents (namely Jaguar) was found to have an ED grading the equivalent of German Grade 2 then he, Harley, is disqualified from breeding. Is this a "grey area" in Germany? There seems little doubt in Sweden.

What about the mother line of Harley what are the elbow scores from her breeding? 

Hej allanf.
Following is translated from the Danish Kennel Club breeding restrictions for GSD:
 
General AD information:
There is no requirement for AD photography in this race.
Where in the second rise observed status 3, these dogs are not used for breeding.
Applies to all dogs in the breed after the first July 2011.

Believe me, nobody breeds on a GSD without having the ED x-rays done. The statistics for 201 are not avaliable yet.

David,

as far as I know Jaguar was rated in Sweden at the second ED x-ray ED Grade 3 .

Ulli

Ulli: I am receiving information that Jaguar obtained ED 2 and this was CONFIRMED D2 on his second x-ray.
The SV state his ED grading was confirmed the same as his first grading by SWEDEN. Therefore there was NO difference between his FIRST x-ray and his SECOND x-ray in Sweden.

Important information! (Addendum to news item „Aktuell 01/12“)

"Officials in Sweden have x-rayed the dog „Team Marlboro Jaguar“ (sire of the Sieger in the 18 – 24 months males on the SV-Bundessiegerzuchtschau 2011) for a second time and it was determined that the dogs on the initial and on the second x-ray are identical.

Therefor the result of „mittlere ED“(mid-level ED) that was awarded initially, is to be considered binding"

There is no reason to withdraw the show rating awarded on the Bundessiegerzuchtschau, since the dog has fulfilled all formalities. The judge for this class, Mr. Lutz Wischalla has stated that this dog would not have received a top rating if the true status of his sire would have been known. 

I see what Allanf is saying , and had wondered about this myself. The dog has not fulfilled all formalities, and should not by the admission of the judge himself have received the top rating. Yet in the first sentence of the statement above they are saying there is no reason to withdraw the show rating.  It reads as though he keeps his title. Perhaps it is a translation issue, I fail to see how he could be allowed to retain it.

He would NOT have received the SG1 = very good 1 

He would have receoved very good (lower down than 1st)

David,
you underlined it yourself - " That was awarded initially, is to be considered binding" .
The SV just took the first finding as the one to relay on.
But the result at the second x-ray was to my knowledge ED Grade 3, while it was at the first screening ED Grade 2. 
It really does not matter, it just got worse - pretty normal thing.
Date - Location - Result
2008-04-07 - Ugglarps Smadjurskklinik - HD B
2008-05-19 -      "               "              - ED Grade 2
2011-?-?-         somewhere in Germany - ED a normal
2012-01-23 - Ugglarps Smadjurskklinik - ED Grade 3
I edited this, hope it helps.
Ulli
Abby
As it looks right now, it is sadly so that Harley will keep his placing !(This reflexes my opinion, again I am not aware of how something like this would be handelt in a court of law.)I dont really know how that could be revoked, after all, Mr. Wischalla said that very clear - if he would have known the true status of Jaguar, Harley would have never made it to the top ! Since Mr. Wischalla's info of Harley and his father Jaguar was based on wrongdoing or fraud or how ever this would be called, there should be a way to do something about this.
Imo it is even more important to keep the awarness about the situation alive, so that peopel who do not know about this, are still informed ! 
Ulli

David,
This is what Mr. Wischalla said : "....das er dem Rüden, wäre ihm der Befund des Vaterrüden bekannt gewesen, keine Platzierung in der Spitzengruppe der Klasse gegeben hätte."
Translated:
"...that he would have the male, if he would have known about the status (actually it should be findings, Befund = findings, results) of the fathermale 
 , not placed in the TOP group of this class ."
Now one could argue what "TOP Group" means - the first 10 of the class, or maybe the first 30 ?
Ulli