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by cindystrickland on 02 January 2012 - 21:01
So what do you do if you have a liver or a white pup? Do you kill it? what causes this to happen? Liver is a flaw and white is a disqualification then why are there so many whites out there and being used so broadly. and most people haven't even seen a liver up close but every one has seen white.why are there breeders for white. just asking???
by pt1 on 02 January 2012 - 21:01
pure and simple... they breed for money, seling pups as 'rare' !!!
by TheWildWolf on 02 January 2012 - 22:01
No... don't kill the puppies. It's not their fault, and colour doesn't define their worth, health or temperament. Just spay and neuter whatever is not up to standard, and don't continue to breed the dogs producing faulty colours. Is that not common sense?
As for the breeders... it is all marketing, in my opinion. Everyone would love a rare white shepherd. Right? :P
As for the breeders... it is all marketing, in my opinion. Everyone would love a rare white shepherd. Right? :P
by Behaviorist on 02 January 2012 - 22:01
Neuter/spay it, place it & never repeat the breeding. I've worked with several whites never seen a liver, but they almost always have a temperament issue & that's how they came to be clients.
by cphudson on 02 January 2012 - 22:01
I've never seen a solid white produced from standard color dogs in 5 generation pedigree. Solid whites are being shown & bred by breeders in the rare breed circuit.
I've seen a liver color puppy before & many years ago produced a liver puppy from 2 standard colored parents. This puppy's color became a standard black & tan color after it blew it's puppy coat, but it's color always remained lighter than the others in the litter. I never bred that female again. The puppy was a mix of WG, DDR, & WGSL's. The puppy went on to do top level agility & lived a long healthy life.
Might not be consider a true liver because it did change to be a more standard color.
A pet store sold a liver & blue GSD puppies before. They didn't seem very healthy nor did they look as nice as the standard color puppies. But the store was asking 2x as much for their rare colors. It was very sad for the poor puppies.
I've seen a liver color puppy before & many years ago produced a liver puppy from 2 standard colored parents. This puppy's color became a standard black & tan color after it blew it's puppy coat, but it's color always remained lighter than the others in the litter. I never bred that female again. The puppy was a mix of WG, DDR, & WGSL's. The puppy went on to do top level agility & lived a long healthy life.
Might not be consider a true liver because it did change to be a more standard color.
A pet store sold a liver & blue GSD puppies before. They didn't seem very healthy nor did they look as nice as the standard color puppies. But the store was asking 2x as much for their rare colors. It was very sad for the poor puppies.
by hexe on 02 January 2012 - 22:01
"I've worked with several whites never seen a liver, but they almost always have a temperament issue & that's how they came to be clients."
Ah, the same could be said of the standard color GSDs you've worked with as well, if your clients always come to you because the dog has issues. In the past 40 years, I'd say I've encountered an equal number of whites to standard colors which had temperament issues...and the common thread between both was usually the poor breeding that was behind the dogs, not their pigmentation.
cphudson, the adult coat of livers and blues does tend to look much like a normal coat color, but it's the nose leather, eye rims and paw pads that give them away--all of these are brown in the liver dogs, and blue/gray or slate colored in the blues.
Ah, the same could be said of the standard color GSDs you've worked with as well, if your clients always come to you because the dog has issues. In the past 40 years, I'd say I've encountered an equal number of whites to standard colors which had temperament issues...and the common thread between both was usually the poor breeding that was behind the dogs, not their pigmentation.
cphudson, the adult coat of livers and blues does tend to look much like a normal coat color, but it's the nose leather, eye rims and paw pads that give them away--all of these are brown in the liver dogs, and blue/gray or slate colored in the blues.
by Dawulf on 02 January 2012 - 22:01
I constantly have the arguement with a friend of mine about the white shepherds. She loves them.
I agree with Behaviorist's comment about fixing and placing the faulty dogs.
I agree with Behaviorist's comment about fixing and placing the faulty dogs.
by Two Moons on 03 January 2012 - 00:01
The white (Swiss Shepherd Dog) has it's own standards and following.
Blues and Livers are a fault and should never be bred, pairs producing them should also never repeat the breeding.
Kill them or give them away is your choice, just don't make more of them.
Blues and Livers are a fault and should never be bred, pairs producing them should also never repeat the breeding.
Kill them or give them away is your choice, just don't make more of them.
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