Sven vom Grafental - Page 1

I'm looking at a litter that is linebred on Sven vom Grafental and I did a little research on him. I then came across Boban von grauen Monstab. 

The common consensus seems to be that this will either produce GREAT working dogs, or on the reverse, dogs with severe temperament/hip issues (I'm not entirely worried about the hips - both of this litters parents OFA'd good) 
A lot of people seem to suggest staying away from the breeding entirely, but I'm not sure that having Sven in the pedigree will throw off the entire balance of this litter. The litter I'm looking at is also linebred on the E litter out of Sven/Sindy. 

Does anyone have PERSONAL experience with these dogs? I'm sure there are lots of folks out there who have experiences with a friends' friends' friend who has a Sven or Boban dog, but I'd like first person view on these dogs, no hearsay or rumors please :)

Thank you
 

OMG. Not again. How many people have to share their personal experiences before people start believing them? There is plenty out there to find if you care to really look. It's NOT SVEN, by the way. It's SINDY!!! 

Or, do your own experiment if you're the type who needs to touch the sun to believe it's hot.  Get one. 

Jenni - have you actually had a personal experience with a Sven/Sindy or Boban dog to be sharing your input? Or is it just stories that you hear? You seem to be oh so adamant against any Sven/Sindy progeny, and I guess I'm just not sure why. Just because Sven/Sindy is in their pedigree doesn't mean EVERY DOG WITH THAT BLOODLINE will have questionable temperament.

I talked to a few dog people BEFORE getting a pup and still went ahead and got a puppy with Sven/Sindy (grandparents) in their pedigree. He's a great little import; outgoing, fearless, confident. I've heard about the hip problems, but both of my pups parents also OFA'd good. I also have a hip guarantee so.........

I wanted a serious, personal protection dog and I think that's what I got. 

 
 

If you know I'm "oh so adament" as you say, then you must've read everything I've posted on the topic, and assuming that, you know exactly what my experience is. You also know that nowhere did I say anything so stupid as every dog w/Sven in the ped. is of questionable temperament. If you do a little more research, it's even more ridiculous.

It's all out there for the finding. I don't feel like posting the same thing a hundred times because someone who needs/wants to know it is too lazy to look for it. Why should I? I already know what I want/need to know about these dogs. You're the one with the questions, so to me, it makes sense that you be the one to look for answers. God helps those who help themselves. LOL .   I don't feel sorry for people who don't research. I do feel sorry for the inexperienced that the breeders prey on and pawn these dogs off on. Rest assured, they're not ending up in experienced homes because experienced homes don't have the time or patience for that kind of  crap. Plus, experienced people run in small circles and word gets around. If you make sure to put them with people who know no better, you run a greater chance of pulling it off for a long time. After all, they're soooo pretty! <gag>

As long as you understand that you are taking a risk, I'd do it. Hell, all puppies are a risk. I have bought Pups and re-home them because they were better suited elsewhere. I think you are on the right track by asking for actual experience. Be careful what you are told. Half the people that give advice don't even work their own dogs. How would they know about others?

Jenni - I'm pretty sure the OP asks for personal experience. You're helping absolutely no one by saying that you're sick of this topic and they should do their research. If you don't want to answer the actual QUESTION because, "why should I?", then don't post on the thread.

If they're anything like me, they probably realized that it didn't look like a lot of people had REAL, PERSONAL experiences -- rather hearsay and rumors -- so I agree with mhr that they should be asking people specifically for run-ins of their own.

All I can say is I'm happy with my puppy. And Chaz is right, you can have the greatest genetics and bloodlines, and it really is still a crapshoot. Good luck :)
 
 

I whelped a litter that was linebred 2-4 on Sven. Both parents were V, KK1; dad was a1 (ZW in the 70s), mom was a2 (ZW = 85). The puppies are 14 months old; of the 8, 2 have been x-rayed and look very good. The others are displaying no problems and may be x-rayed after they hit 2 years. Pups from that litter are being trained in herding, agility, personal protection, SAR, and one is training to work as a post-disaster therapy dog with her psychologist owner while another is training as a mobility assistance service dog. Temperaments are very stable overall, looks/conformation excellent, and no health issues have shown up so far. Two of the three males did not have both testicles at 8 weeks.

You can see pictures of the pups here.

Christine

Have both testicles on the males dropped at this point? My puppy is 9 weeks, and one testicle has gone back up after his flight from Germany.
 
 

One of the owners has dropped out of touch with me (although I have heard through the a mutual friend that he thinks the sun rises and sets because of his dog!), so I don't know--he was sold with a discount because of the missing testicle, so I don't know that the owner would have let me know. The other boy, no it has not descended.

If it was down previously, it will likely descend. If it wasn't really down before he left Germany, well... it's not impossible that it will still descend, but I'd say the odds aren't in favor.

Christine

Funny, this is like a bad remake on an old movie.

Point of clarification, the bad stories concern ONLY Sven/Sindy Schaferliesel breeding not Sven alone.  There are many, many Sven descendents-I have one of them.  He was  a popular stud.  There is a much smaller popullation from Sven/Sindy.

Here is the previous thread-the line breeding on the E litter and a bit about Boban.
 
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/forum.read?mnr=141594#141661 

Michele