Question about dealing with Breeders - Page 1

This is not a personal attack on any breeder, but a inquiry for advise. I will first say I am very new to dealing with breeders that are not local sending money over the internet and then getting a puppy only after seeing pictures, videos, or playing with the puppy after a long drive to pick it up. I have done this twice. The first time was an excellent experience. This last time not as much. I wont go into details other than. I followed the contract and had the pup checked out by the vet within the time frame, long story short the vet bills were almost as much as the pup was. CANINES THAT NEEDED REMOVED, A CYST THAT HAD TO BE TESTED AND LANCED, RABIES SHOT.

It was agreed that part of the cost of pups vet bills would be full registration and even this is kinda dumb because she may not be breedable by standards. Hips, ECT....... but I have not recieved the paperwork anyhow, As well as I tried to settle with the breeder for a lesser amount of the vet bills, I havent heard anything back after emails being sent back and forth.

Now the question at hand, how should I go about with a Resolution to the problem.

1) Issue a dispute for the enire amount through my credit card company because the puppy i recieved was Defective and not as discribed. and chalk it up as a loss for the paperwork and keep a working line pet?

2) Or wait for the breeder to make the situation correct. Even though its been almost a month.

Once again this is not a personal attack just a question of experienced people to help someone that is inexperienced in dealing with this type of transaction.

Didn't I talk to you on the phone? Did you call me about Anya?

Anyway...what has the breeder said prior to now being silent?

I guess my questions, from a BREEDER's standpoint would revolve around the medical necessity of the procedures the pup "required." Since you state you are very new, I would wonder if it wasn't maybe just the breeder taking advantage, but the vet as well. Many vets are quick to surgically intervene before it's really necessary. I'm assuming the pup had baby canines that didn't fall out. How old was she when the vet said they needed to be pulled? And you don't give much detail about the cyst. A cyst can occur for so many reasons, it's difficult to say whether or not the breeder should be responsible for that. How old was the dog when it showed up? How old was the dog when you got her? As far as a rabies shot, welcome to the real world. Dogs cost money;-).

Please explain those things a little better and I will try to help you a bit more.

You did talk to me on the phone about that beautiful puppy, anyhow The pup I got was 8 months old you are correct baby canines both top ones fully grown next to her fully grown adults side by side. The breeder stated she was all about supporting me and covering the expense until I sent the amounts and then she tried to talk me down with the amounts and offering full reg. with $100 to cover the cost. Until she didnt respond at all. The cyst im not sure what it ended up being but it had to be removed it was the size of a golf ball when we got her, I pointed it out when i was playing with the pup at the breeders kennels it must of been there for a little while to get that big. The vet looked over the animal the next day of it being home. We paid everything upfront to the vet to do the work. I am not new to dogs or cost of vet bills. I have two great danes and now my 2nd GSD but the issue is with follow up from the breeder and the promised help in resolving the issue.

So did you talk about this stuff before you took her home or after?

I can't believe that the breeder would let an 8month old go w/those issues. That should've been a red flag, if nothing else. I guess the issue I see in getting compensation is that if you were aware of these issues and still paid the breeder everything, then it may be difficult, if not impossible, to prove that she agreed to work with you.

Can I ask what made you buy the pup w/those issues? There must be something that made you ignore those things and buy her anyway.

I paid upfront online and then drove 8 hours, I normally only buy a dog on limited until I get the dog home and see if it would be fit to work. This was advise from my first breeder. I did speak with her about these things and its in emails back and forth. The reason I ignored it is because it looked like by the condition of the other dogs that she needed help getting rid of some of her animals. I didnt want to go into details but it looked like it was a lot to handle by the conditions i saw and 20 something dogs and numerous other things. My pups all share a bedroom with me in the house so i felt sorry for a 8month old puppy kept in a 5x5 thats what made me ignore the signs

Aye.....

Gotcha. Unfortunately, this is how/why people like this get away with selling pups over and over again- because people feel sorry for them.

The problem is someone who thinks it's ok to keep dogs like that is most likely not going to have the same moral compass that you and I do and therefore will not adhere to what's "right" just to do what's right.

I would say go ahead and try to get it, but you can't get blood from a rock. Try through your credit card company; that may be your best bet.

I have to say it's nice that you haven't used her name, though if conditions were bad enough to make you buy the pup out of pity, then you may not be doing the dogs any favors by protecting the breeder. If it's a bad circumstance and the person is doing all they can and the best they can and making arrangements for the dogs, then kudos for not mudslinging.

But I didnt ignore them, I was clear with the breeder and she led on and I felt she was of her word even in the emails she represented the same. But then she didnt respond at all so now im left with what action i should take.

I really think she is doing her best with a bad situation and I see she has since put up a few of her other adult dogs  I know she just moved and it doesnt look like she had a lot of extra money to keep up with things is why I went ahead with things but at this point I am behind in my budget because I came out of pocket to get a pup back to a normal healthy status.
I look at things as examples of what to do and what not to do.
I may not buy a pup from her in the future but being new to this, I wish I saw more breeders  that priced dogs  based on the quality of puppy as much as the gentics that is has.

Most good breeders do price pups that way. I agree with what was said. Feeling bad for this woman is NOT a good reason to buy a dog. She has you by the balls so to speak because you saw the pup with the cyst and teeth problems and you bought anyway. So to answer your question, unless you trust the breeder, dont buy over the net and pay up front for a dog that you plan to get in person. If the breeder requires it, then move on. Now your left trying to get papers that may never materialize. I learned that lesson the hard way and had to threaten suing to get papers. If no papers are in hand, be strong enough to walk away.