Who's the new Fero vom Zeuterner Himmelreich? - Page 1

So who is the modern day equivalent to Fero? Seems like he is in a great many pedigrees, wonder who is it now that many people desire to have their dams breed to?

Nick Vom Heilegenbosch. Alas he is not alive either however his progeny lives on

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Javir Talka Marda? Drago v Patriot seems to be used a lot lately. It may take a few years to see if they are producers of producers.

IMO no dog wiil ever reach the hypestatus of fero and troll anymore , since we have internet now
 

back than people went to breed to these dogs without ever seeing them work for a second , now people will ask for video , and to be honest , without questioning their qualities , im not impressed at all when I see the videos of ferro and timmy bosen nachb.  etc , and wouldnot think of breeding them

so ,  video killed the radio star ,

Perfect use of expression, duke.  I see your french is improving.  Because of that though, Fero was able to be selected for his potency rather than his big screen image which might not have looked favorably upon him.  Koos Hassing of Tiekerhook kennels had Fero at his facility for several months, and states that after seeing both some good things and bad things, the bad things were were in his opinion due to training.  Neither can you deny the potency of Troll or Yoschy, as little amount of video as there is available to measure them by.

the potency of those dogs will be clear if you devide the numbers of great offspring tho the humongous numbers of pups they produced
also  if I look at the videos of these dogs and also nick I dont see the genetic full grip , again video tells another story than humans

again , Im not saying these werent great dogs or producers , only putting video against words , and the influence this has on stardom of dogs

So is our attention only drawn to the star progeny of Troll or Yoschy?  I can't recall any blatantly bad ones, myself.  Probably a lot of hectic types from Yoschy, and some unsociable types from Troll, but that's kind of a guess.  The potency of their characteristics are plain, even if they are not always balanced correctly in a breeding.  I don't know that grips are supposed to be a Nick strength, as much as the purported hardness he brings.

I know that you use quite a bit of Cordon An Sat in your breeding but I wonder, had you ever the opportunity to watch him work?  I would assume you can 'sense' the common strengths of his legacy among his decendants.

I agree with duke1965 that no other dogs will ever reach the hyper status of those dogs again. I do think most people would be happy to have the following dogs in their pedigree:

Tim /  Tom van't Leefdaalhof,  Manto vom Kahlenbach,  Crok vom Erlenbusch,  Javir Talka Marda ,  Tyson von der Schiffslache,  Falko vom Wolfsblick, Aly vom Vordersteinwald , Jago von der Lindenhalle, Quax von der Fasanerie  
Ernst vom Weinbergblick, Marco z Danaru, Branko & Paska vom Salztalblick, Orry (IT). I know I missed a few but can't think of them right now.

other dogs;   Cordon An-Sat, Dargo Ha-Ja-Da / Ox Jirkova dvora,  Pike von der Schafbachmühle, Titus z Pohranicni Straze, Norbo, Mambo  , ,   
 Aly vom Vordersteinwald Aly vom Vordersteinwald Aly vom Vordersteinwald Aly vom VordersteinwalAAAAAA

no daryll , I never seen cordon work himself , but have seen multiple ofspring overmultiple generations , and thats the dogs Im breeding on
cphudson , ive seen more great offspring of norbos sire than of norbo , so I would say car  , agree with dargo and titus  , mambo and ox need to be seen in the future

cphudson
You have a good selection at the top of your list and the dogs coming down from the Orry, Tom and Aly,Ernst, Quaz,Falco and Falco etc a generation or two down are proving there values at this time at least in the Dog sport what they are doing in other types of work and things like that i cannot say as it is not for the ordinary Dog person to know over in Little Belgium but for me you can train a brother or sister of a litter to do other work so i guess they are holding there own
Regards the Czech Lines you mention they are few and far between in Belgium and not so much in Germany i do not know about elsewhere in Europe, i know they are sought after in the USA, but when i mention them over here they say they do not use them very often why that is something i cannot answer.
Steve1