does Germany send us their rejects - Page 1

I know there are some great dogs that come over to the states from Germany but I have met far too many people complaining about the dog they bought from Germany.
One lady told me her dog has terrible seperation anxiety and she bought the dog as a pup from somewhere in Germany.
I have a friend that lives near me with a gorgeous incredible temperament dog she had shipped from Germany and looking at the dog you would think it was almost flawless. But the dog has a downward pointing vulva and my friend bought her as a breeder. She can't breed her now. Everyone who has these negative stories say they will never buy from Germany again. 
These are not the only stories I have heard of about dogs shipped from Germany but they are the most recent.

Any thoughts or opinions?
Stephanie

Stephanie,

Extracting a top specimen from Germany takes some effort. There are types of buyers that generally get certain types of dogs. Here are a few:

Those that send blind e mails to breeders in Germany. If they get a response from the breeder at all, they will get a lesser quality dog. Why should a breeder send a good dog to an unknown?

Those that look for inexpensive dogs from top lines, deep red, large bone. You can read about those results here on PDB. This website is full of those types of transactions.

Broker: Some are good, some not so good. How do you tell the difference? Easy. Just remember no one can do for you any better than they have done for themselves. If you want a top working line or top showline dog. Just look up the person you are dealing with and see their results. If their only result is a list of dogs for sale and no results in GSD events. Chances are you will not be their first success. You will be one of the ones with the types of dogs you describe.

Mentor: Find someone that has accomplished what it is you want to accomplish and ask for their assistance in accomplishing the same thing they have already accomplished.

Top specimens are sold everyday. You just have to know how to get one. It's very simple. All you have to do is have a relationship with a breeder in Germany that has good dogs. You need to know them and they need to know you. You have to know their stock and what you want from their program. You have to know the politics that affect the dogs and what bloodlines are on the way in, on the way out, and well established.

I concur with dog1, If you do not do your homework throughly then that is the fault of you the purchaser. First you must study what the breeders have on offer then if possible look back to see what work there dogs have done, Plus you must have a strong feeling for specific lines of breeding that interests you, Once you have found such Kennels you contact them and ask more questions only then do you think further ahead and certainly spend the time speaking to them on the phone that is important
Steve1

I do not think that Germany sends the rejects, I think that they are marketed and the people that purchase them bring them in.  You have to be aware and do your research.....especially since there is an ocean in the way.  Dog1 probably articulates it best.   

I agree with Steve - the fault is on the side of the buyer - not enough research!

It may also be easier to obtain an older dog than a youngster.  Someone with a dog who is competing and showing well in Europe more likely will wish to hang onto the dog and see what they will produce, while older dogs (7+) who were used for breeding for several years already, may be available with the right connections to the right buyer and situation, especially if that dog can be offered by an established breeder in the US. But be careful that they're not shooting blanks by then.

the folks with those great dogs didn't order them off the internet.

Yes in some instances I believe they do;  however, you need to know what you are looking at and what you are looking for.  If at all possible go see the puppy/dog's;  get an idea of how they are raised; handled, fed and what their (sellers kennel is producing).  Just like the US;  not all kennels are  great kennels but "yes" they will sell anything they can,  sad but true;  if you are willing to buy, they are willing to sell;  a hugh industry.

The best advice i can give to anyone on here who wants to study the German Breeders and dogs and anyone else in Europe is to join the http://www.working-dog.eu site. You have to pay to be a member and there is no forum but it is a huge source of information.
Anyway it does not cost a great deal a month to become a Premium Member. I think it is a great site
Steve1

Agree with Steve, it's kinda like buying a used car! You have to find a reputable contact and know what you are doing, looking for and what you can handle! So if you get crud probably either your fault or you got more dog than you know what to do with!