Prices on "green" young adult females - Page 1

Just curious to get some opinions on the "going rate" for well-bred (say, excellent bloodlines, solid titles all the way back, V or SG ancestors all the way back, KKL1s, excellent hip production stats, etc.) working line young adults who are not titled, between the ages of 18mos and 2yrs old. Assuming clear joints and low zw scores, what have you guys been paying/hearing/being quoted on bitches in this category, particularly for the purpose of breeding (ie, not a dog flawed in some way for breeding, but  that would still make a great sport or police prospect)? 

Any and all input is greatly appreciated. If anyone would like to spill the beans on what they have paid for similar animals, that would be great. Thanks!

The last one I sold, last year, went for $2,200. However, she was very green. Her hip x-rays had not yet been sent off to OFA, but were clear and looked fantastic. The buyer later sent them in and received a GOOD from OFA.

When I was looking last year (after I sold the one female), I saw prices all over the place. Some went from $1,800 up to $4,500 ( I did not enquire on the dogs with no prices listed). IMO I would not pay more than $2,000 to $2,500 for what you describe and if I had to look for a few months before I found the right dog at the right price, then so be it.

Edited to add: to be honest, I prefer to get them as pups.

Thanks for the reply. You'd rather get a puppy for a breeding bitch instead of a dog w/known temperament, clear hips and basic obedience? 

Hi Jenni78, my most recent purchases for females like you describ were between; $3,500 -$8,000 + shipping on average additional $1,000.
I've found dogs outside of USA are much better prices for slighty younger females for the same quality but normally only 10 months to year old. Once they reach 18 months old + their prices rise.
I have purchased cheaper green working line females, but once they arrived it was obvious in one way or another for the mark down & weren't meant for breeding.
Those bargain dogs had to be spay & place many in pet homes which of course was in the end a bigger lost of $ than if I just purchased one high quality dog for the normal price.

My most recent female to join us is everything we wanted & her work is just amazing. Plus she has a very nice stucture, & pedigree. Sunschain will complete her titles this fall.
Pedigree - http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=699178 
We purchased her through Hans from Czech. He was great in helping us find the exact kind of dog we were looking for working drives, pedigree, temperament, structure, etc..
She had her hips & elbows xrayed. Started in protection, obedience, & tracking. Could bite a hidden sleeve, but very social with friendly visitors / in public. 
We just adore our Sunny & love working with her. She was on the upper price range I gave but worth every penny so far.

Last year we purchase a nice female from Euro Sport at a year old for a fair price -  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=643342 
She didn't work out in our breeding program, but was a much beloved dog. She is now with the local police department in my town. 

Yes, I would prefer a puppy ... say around 4-6 months. I've had several adults that I have purchased only to be misled on ability and drives or they have other issues undisclosed. I find it easier to evaluate a puppy and start from scratch. Then again, I am saying this from someone who doesn't just want to breed. I want to have a dog that can work and can also be bred at a later date.

I guess we have different opinions, Ramage. I think only the best of the best in ALL categories should be bred, therefore, a dog who just  "can work"  is just not going to cut it for me. I think it should be the opposite of what you say; people should "just work" those dogs who shouldn't be bred instead of breeding those who can't work. I don't think you can really find (consistently, anyway) bitches who are truly breeding quality for $2000 at 2yrs old. JMO. 

Cphundson, thank you very much. That's exactly what I was looking for- what people have actually paid. That's in line with what I had thought, too, but I was curious as to what a reasonably educated person would expect to pay. Seems there are a lot of greedy breeders out there looking for bargains to turn into puppy factories. They don't seem to understand that you pay for what you get. I recently considered selling such a bitch as I describe and was pretty appalled at the prices people were willing to pay. If you want to pay puppy price, get a puppy. Why would a known entity not be worth more than a crapshoot? Nevermind the fact that with a pup, you're 2 years out on breeding anyway and you'll have all those associated costs.  Would you say a proven 2yr old would be worth slightly more? 

It kind of sickened me to see how many people will just breed whatever they can get their hands on for $2500 or less. YUCK. I shouldn't be surprised. I saw a wanted ad for anything breeding age under $1200- they stated that they don't have to be super bloodlines or anything, just breeding age and due in heat soon. 

Well, you're making some nasty assumptions about me, but so be it. I gave my opinion on your question.

I don't breed anything I can get my hands on. I look for dogs with good drives and that can work. If the dog proves itself to be excellent, then I'd breed the dog down the road.

I've seen some nice dogs sell for $2,000 to $2,500 at a young age (a year to 18 months) and that were very green. They aren't in the hundreds, but those dogs come along on occasion. That's what I would prefer. If it's not what you prefer, well that's your opinion and your taste.

I also think you sneering at someone who prefers to buy a dog as a puppy is just ridiculous.

I think it all depends.

I would have to fully trust the person who is selling these dogs. I would have to see some ball/toy drive development and do a little hunt drive tests. I would want to see the dog in pretty stressful environment and to show interest with the right drive to a tug or puppy sleeve.

I purchades a KILLER female with hips/elbows done, nice foundation work for 2200.. she however was a NICE female. great potencial. I put some more foundation on her, prepped her for tons of opportunities and then re-sold her for extra 1800 but that female was pretty much rocking in all three venues, she was on Sch1 tracks and she had her foundation OB and her foundation bite work done. She is now IPO2 and SG rated so that was a nice deal for the buyer. The owner has had her for only 15 months now? But again I was told that I was Cheap..LOL

I know people sell OFAed, started in OB NAtional level type dogs for about 5K.. but these dogs are often started by people who know what are doing when it comes to the TOP level Competition. These dogs are usually 1-3 years old and they can pretty much be trialed in few months (that is if the owner is not a moron).

Again I would have to trust the seller.

Nasty assumptions? Sneering? 

You seem to have a personal problem with me, Ramage, so if that's the case, kindly just refrain from answering my post rather than use it as a venue for nastiness. 

Back on topic, this post was about BREEDING QUALITY (and by breeding quality, I mean more than simply possessing a vagina and uterus) prices on green adults OVER 18mos. and UNDER or EXACTLY 2 years old with excellent pedigrees for work, health, temperament, and structure. They must have ALL of these things. I really am curious to what people expect to pay or think is fair. 

GSDPack - that just goes to show that you CAN get a nice dog without paying top dollar. They are out there, a buyer just has to be patient and look.

Spending $8,000 doesn't mean you'll get a nice dog either. People get ripped off all of the time.