Scutzhund, PSA, Monido - Page 1

the people that have working GSDs which sport is better to you and why?

Which one would perfer to have titled on you dogs sire.

Can you do more then one sport at the same time.


Do you believe in AKC obedience as well why or why not

I dont think that one is better than any other.  Some sports lend themselves as an intro to other and different avenues.

For example i think the schutzhund is as boring as watching paint dry on a wall.  But at the same time I would not buy a GSD that came from untitled gods in their history.  I also think that the GSD would be in sad shape w/o it.  In addition OB is an area that i need to strengthen, if i had the attention span for the routien of sch i would be much better off in that area.

PSA is more realistic for life application but i dont see quite the emphasis on OB in the same type of way, at least at the lower levels of PSA.

I would not say one sport is better than the other. It boils down to what you like and what fits your style of dog training.

So far the GSD has not passed the PSA 2 Level so when you are looking at breeding your not going to see a ton of GSD's with PSA Titles. I don't know much about the sport of Mondo so I cant give you advice. We all know about the world of Schutzhund and what it brings to the table.

You can do more then one sport at the same time.

Dont get all hung up on titles, I have seen many dogs that dont even have papers that are nice and will do the work. The same sire is going to produce the same pup with or without his titles.

Obviously Mondio is the superior sport. However, you have to find a dog that can actually do the sport first.

I do Schutzhund and SDA.  I guess I prefer SDA but still train in SchH because I think it really drills in the basic concepts and foundation work.

Mondio is for weak, slow dogs that can't handle the esquive or the stick and for decoys that can't perform the esquive or use the stick.  If it were allowed I could post an E-mail I received years ago from a well known Ring family (father is judge, 2 sons excellent handlers and decoys) about how they (in France) laughed at Mondio and consider it a waste of time.  I remember talking to a Ring judge back in the early 90's when Mondio was first getting off of it's feet and he suggested that we here in the states give it a try because we did not at that time, have access to many good Malinois or many good FR decoys.  It's kinda like watching single "A" baseball instead of the Major Leagues, good for children and knitting circles.  

-> Duderino, you really don't know anything about Mondioring, you couldn't be more wrong!!!
A good Mondioring Decoy must be an excellent athlete, it's not for everybody, they must be fast and agile, must know how to work with the stick and accessories.
As for the dogs, they must be top, in my opinion, Mondioring is 1 of the most dificult dog sports, it's not for everybody! It's a sport dominated by malinois, you don't see many German shepherds practicing that sport, generally because they are slower and have greater difficulty in the jumps! Only those who have an excellent German shepherd are practicing that sport with success! No wonder that there was only one GS at the last world cup in the netherlands, if I'm not wrong his name is Hero Van Tiekerhook

der are some  gsd that can do the ring  french lines that can do RING SPORT and Mondio
like Obelix du val des hurles

you're right myret, i love Obelix and there are others GS that are doing an excellent job in ring sports and i wish there were more, it's a shame that most of the dogs we see in those sports are malinois...

Hmm . an interesting question ... my background was Sch .. trained with the best of the best .. that is my foundation .. but i have come across two features in the decades of dog sports. !, Sch is what it is ... an intention to evaluate a dog's temperamnet and perhaps a bit of some working abilities .. BUT point 1. people that have only done Sch or having had a dog that didn't partake of either Mondio , PSA , French or Belgium sports ..either will not accept , can't understand the degree of difficulty for the dog ,the attributes a dog must have to do the sports  and 2. they are so tunnelled visioned too,  Sch is like having a dog in prey that is locked in , you can;'t discuss to them any other sport / or how much FUN /Challenging any othewr sport is  , how demanding it is , and BY FAR how much better these other European Sports are compared to Sch . IMO---  i have done French / Begium /Sch [ with all capable GSDS , some show lines at that !! /understand PSA... IMO , just the Brevet [ introductory level before even a Ring 1] in French R. is to have an accomplished  dog with better merit than a Sch 3 !! Now watch .. 10 to 1 .. i will get flack from some ope here on this forum for even writing such .. BUT [-- my comment..] go out and do any one of those sports if you have a dog capable of performing  , for one , and twoTHEN compare to having done  Sch ! -    Last comment ... not only is the performance superior in other european sports .. but the mindset , the philosophy about training with your dog is totally beyond and different than a  lot of concepts that Sch teaches .. I won't elaborate here , but those that do these sport comprehend the meaning of that last statement.. one example ... just one -- ;look at the helper work / decoy work .. look how much more of a dog you need and how you must prepare it .. just go on the web and look at these sports !! Sch in a way .. is like ... kindergarden IMO compared to many other European sports !