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by barkroz on 10 May 2011 - 00:05
Just a quick question to you color experts out there...Do black and tan gsd's "ever" have pencil marks on their toes. I have a litter of pups, sire is definitely bi-color, sire of dam was bicolor. Two of the pups have very definite pencil marks on the toes, one much more defined than the other. Some tan coloration on the checks, none behind the ears that I can tell. Just curious if this penciling-at an older age, is ever seen in the b/t dogs or if it is specific to the bicolors and the sables that carry a gene for bicolor/black. Thanks for info in advance!!!
by hejnye on 10 May 2011 - 01:05
only bi colors have pencil marks
by barkroz on 10 May 2011 - 02:05
Thanks!!
by heiko1 on 10 May 2011 - 04:05
Certain sables as well, although sometimes not as pronounced.
by vonissk on 10 May 2011 - 04:05
Both my sables have pencil marks and tar heels. Also my mentor has 2 sables with dark pencil marks and tar heels.
by katesgillkennels on 10 May 2011 - 19:05
All my sables have penciling on toes,thats one of the things I go for,along with tar heels 
by vonissk on 10 May 2011 - 20:05
It's my understanding that the sables that carry the penciling and tar heels also carry the black recessive.
by eichenluft on 10 May 2011 - 22:05
MOST sables that have black penciled toes and tar heels carry EITHER black OR bicolor recessive. But as was pointed out to me, there are a few sables who don't carry either, who are simply rich pigmented and carry penciling/tarheels as well. With sables, the recessive color gene must be known either by the parentage, or by what the dog produces.
Black/tans who retain penciling and tarheels are bicolors. Puppies that are black/tan will be born with penciling/tarheels but they will fade away. Bicolors retain their markings, and some get darker as they age.
molly
Black/tans who retain penciling and tarheels are bicolors. Puppies that are black/tan will be born with penciling/tarheels but they will fade away. Bicolors retain their markings, and some get darker as they age.
molly
by vonissk on 11 May 2011 - 02:05
Thanks Molly for adding most--I meant to and when I came back it was too late to edit it...................
by beetree on 11 May 2011 - 19:05
My melanistic B & T saddle (showline) has black penciling between his toes.The tarheels have faded quite a bit with lesser amounts of the black hair replaced by tan.
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