SV Elbow Xray ratings ? - Page 1

How many passing grades are there for SV elbows Xrays - normal,fast normal and what else? What does mittel mean ? is that a passing grade or failing grade ? And is a fast normal SV rating on elbows about equal to OFA,s grade 1 for elbows ?

3 passing ratings, just like with hips, normal, fast normal and noch zugelassen.  Mitttel is middle and not a passing score, don't know OFA ratings so I have no idea how they compare.

Ok so the SV rates Elbows the same 3 grades as they do in hips and if i see the word mittel this mean a middle failing grade in a dogs elbows  OFA grades only a pass or fail in Elbows but if they fail they have 3 degrees of failure a 1 being the best and 3 being the worst

mittel translates to moderately dysplastic

There are 3 main causes of a dog failing elbows in OFA. I have no understanding of SV ratings so no comment.

UAP, OCD and FCP. I only have this to say, it is possible to breed up from poor hips, but if you as a breeder choose to dick around with poor elbows, it is a gift that keeps on giving. forever.

Rik

There is a very good article on the website of Videx regarding elbows in these dogs, anyone who doubts the need to have elbows offically graded would do wel, to read it
Kudos to Videx for doing everything possible to help forward and inform people of the German Shepherd Dog
Elbows are as important as hips, remember when a dog lands from jumping of any kind it is the front legs which take the dogs weight first, and for my take on it even if a dog has a1 hips but its elbows do not pass the gradings it should never be bred from period
Steve1

Well i would say its too bad the SV and OFA are not on the same page they are 2 very diff. animals the SV feels like 12 months is old enough to certify and OFA wants 24 months,I would think 14 to 18 months is a better number and it appears one would never be able to compare each other because they rate so differantly.I,m sure many a dog that can pass SV for elbows or hips with say the lowest pass score would fail OFA when they hit 24 months,I would think it would be a good idea for dogs that pass the SV with say the lowest rating should also get a OFA check when they hit 24 months just to make sure and consider the SV a prelim. check,but I,m sure many would not be willing to do this fearing the dogs would fail the second go around. Correct me if I,m wrong but doesnt AKC only accept OFA for Certs. and not the SV and  as far as I know AKC will only print hip Certs. for OFA and not elbows as of yet.

The earlier an opinion is given by an expert on reading hips must be an advantage to those who wish to work their dogs. If the SV make this available at 12 mths and the grades are good this would allow you to train and work your dogs knowing all the time and effort is not wasted . From BH at 15 months and wanting to progress further, the time and money involved and commitment could all be  a waste if waiting for grades at the age of two years.  When conformation breeders have a good puppy many scan the hips to make sure they have some indication that the hips will be good at a later date. Remember hips at 6 mths of age if good have a chance of remaining okay but bad hips will not get better.( from my experience). For me this would be the reason for having hips graded at 12mths. For those who still want to know how they look at 24mths could if they wish use the OFA.
 As far as elbows are concerned I do not think we have a big problem in the breed overall but it would appear when you find a line that produces elbow problems or dogs that produce it themselves it is very hard to breed out . It can be seen from the SV Genetic quarterly reports that some dogs with NZ elbows can overall produce good ( for those submitted) so you have to make the most of the data available and then make up your own mind.
John Ward

Are the SV genetic reports put out in English and are thoses only for  dogs born in Germany? How does one veiw this report and what studies can be veiwed that show its difficult to breed for better elbows generation after generation and does this mean its not a good idea to breed dogs that just bearly get a SV passing score for elbows and does this mean the offspring will tend to show the same way getting a bearly passing grade?

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You are spot on. If i buy a 8 week old pup and i then decide its life is one in the ScH Sport, I would rather know the quality of its Hips and Elbows at 12 month old rather than wait another year only to find out the dogs Joints will not stand up,. or if they did it would be unfair to that dog to work it in such a manner
I would expect the SV to have thought of extending the time limit on certified Hips but must have deemed it okay.
 Anyway if you live in the USA it will not apply to you anyway nor wil the USA way of thinking be of any use to us
Steve1