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by jamesfountain98 on 25 October 2010 - 03:10

My dog is 13 months old and I've been training with a prong collar on her for the last 6 months. My SAR training chief is against using the prong collar. Before I started SAR, i worked with a few schutzhund trainers and they primarily used prong collars and fur savers.

My dog responds to all three styles of collars. when walking my dog the prong collar gives more pressure even when the dog is giving very min amount of pulling. The prrong collar seems to take less effort in correction, but have to be careful not to over correct.

Please give your opinions. 

Phil Behun

by Phil Behun on 25 October 2010 - 08:10

Your SAR "Training Chief" is a goober

KYLE

by KYLE on 25 October 2010 - 12:10

This depends on the dog and the situation.  If your dog is responding to the fur saver on the live ring, use the fursaver.  If your dog is in drive and is not responding to fursaver, go back to the prong.  I have a female gsd that is really sensitive to my commands in obedience and a correction with a fursaver works like a prong collar.  In "C" I have to use a prong or e-collar.  With the prong or too harsh of a correction can bring down the drive of the dog.  But I would go with the least invasive tool that brings you success.

Kyle 


by StephanieJ on 25 October 2010 - 12:10

 Why is your training chief opposed to the use of the collar? If the collar is "loading" ie making your dog more excitable in a situation where the dog should perhaps maintain a calmer demeanor, then he may have a point.
If however he is opposed to the use of the collar because of personal preference or as a concession to public opinion as an inappropriate training tool, then I would have to agree with Mr. Behun re his goober status.

by Gustav on 25 October 2010 - 12:10

Read Kyle's response for some direction.

by jamesfountain98 on 25 October 2010 - 12:10

He says the prong collar should only be used for uncontrollable dogs. He says the prong collar does not loosen enough when the correction is over.

Nellie

by Nellie on 25 October 2010 - 13:10

If she works well on a fur saver then their is no need to use the prong.

sueincc

by sueincc on 25 October 2010 - 14:10

It doesn't "loosen" enough????  So are we talking about when the dog is supposed to be working?  If so,  I guess  it wouldn't  if the dog is supposed to pull at all times in the work, but then neither would a fursaver on the live ring, either collar would be counterproductive if the dog is to put tension on the line at all times when working.  If this is the case, I would have 2 lines on the dog, one on the dead ring of the fursaver, with tension,  and one on the pinch collar, held loose, used only to check  the dog if he gets out of hand. 

If we are talking about walking the dog but not when it's working, then I agree with what Kyle said to do,  and what Phil said about your trainer being a goober. 

by SitasMom on 26 October 2010 - 02:10

I used a prong collar on Jyota until I trained her to look at me, now I use the dead link on a fursaver and she works very well. Hero is more headstrong and needs a prong. Hanny is funny, when I put a prong on her she is "perfect" and never needs a correction, but with a fursaver, she needs an occasional correction. My Aussie has never needed more then a flat leather collar. It really depends on the dog.





 


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