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by Vom Brunhaus on 20 September 2010 - 10:09
Toni SG 3 owned by Familie Schneider Zwinger Rieser Perle, has not been sold to China as previously reported here on PDB. He rests comfortably with his owners at his kennel in Germany. I am confident his show career and progeny groups will move forward. Congrats again Jurgen and Andrea, Vom Brunhaus
by Jantie on 27 September 2010 - 17:09
It's very interesting to see how people always question/challenge my postings.
Like the above comment!
I had posted the information that Toni was going to China.
People then come on here, saying it's never gonna happen.
Well, I'm sorry.
Toni has received his registration in the Chinese Breedbook just now.
His number is as follows: CSZ8002372
Hope everyone is convinced now.
Jantie
by Vom Brunhaus on 28 September 2010 - 08:09
Jantie, his breeders responded to me that they still have him in Germany. Not a challenge just stated what I was told by his owners. VB
by Jantie on 09 November 2010 - 18:11
Just for the record a brief up-date of this unfinished thread.
As was mentioned in another thread, Toni WAS indeed sold as I reported, despite contesting rumours.
Only a couple of weeks later, the sellers had problems with the buyer (or the broker), as some of the stipulations/agreements of the sale were not kept.
Toni went to China and till further notice, he will stay there.
Thought I would fill this in, as the last post would suggest I was wrong when reporting on Pedigreedatabase that Toni was sold to China.
As was mentioned in another thread, Toni WAS indeed sold as I reported, despite contesting rumours.
Only a couple of weeks later, the sellers had problems with the buyer (or the broker), as some of the stipulations/agreements of the sale were not kept.
Toni went to China and till further notice, he will stay there.
Thought I would fill this in, as the last post would suggest I was wrong when reporting on Pedigreedatabase that Toni was sold to China.
by Klaus Fischer on 09 November 2010 - 19:11
Toni is in China sure!y A friend returned yesterday and he saw him there. So why this talk that he is in germany?????? Is there any one who went for studservice to him last weeks in germany?
by brawos_bis on 12 November 2010 - 22:11
Dom wariatow...
by Vom Brunhaus on 15 November 2010 - 12:11
Dont know who to believe here.
by Ipsi on 15 November 2010 - 19:11
Vom Brunhaus - I also believed Toni's owners that they still have the dog. I even asked Toni's handler (on Facebook) about it and he confirmed that Toni is still in Germany. Now, after my fatal experience with Mr. and Mrs. Schneider, I'm almost 100% sure that Toni is in China.
by Vom Brunhaus on 16 November 2010 - 11:11
Ipsi would really like to know your fatal experience if you wish to share?
by Ipsi on 16 November 2010 - 12:11
I can share this story, it's not a secret.
I wanted to mate my female with Furbo. But when I called his owner, he said that Furbo will stay in China till the end of 2010.
So me and my husband decided to mate her with beautiful Furbo son - Toni. My husband called his owners (of course it was before my female started a heat). Mr. Schneider doesn't speak English (we don't speak German), so he gave a phone to his wife. She was very nice, my husband asked her if there is a chance to mate our female with Toni, she said no problem and asked to call her first day of female's heat. So we did - my husband called Mrs. Schneider and told her that female just started her heat and she will be probably ready for mating around 9th of November. He also said that he will call her again after progesteron test and asked if it will be OK to tell her the exact date of mating 2 days before it. She said fine, no problem.
After a few days we did first progesteron test, it was very low. Two days later we did second progesteron test. It was 6th of November. On the next day my husband called Mrs. Schneider again, told her about progesteron result and said that we'll make next progesteron tomorrow (8th of November), but probably the best days for mating will be Tuesday or Wednesday (9th or 10th November, just like we said at the beginnig). Then Mrs. Schneider said that she doesn't understan the days names in English (!!!) and told my husband to send her an email (she said she prefers to read it). So I did. Next day in the morning I received the answer: " when will you come decking, you must say me the day". A few hours later, when (it was Monday) we did another progesteron - it was clear that female will be ready for mating on Wednesday or Thursday. My husband tried to call Mrs. Schneider, but she didn't pick up the phone. So I wrote her email with all infos.
I received the answer (in German): "Sorry,aber wir haben für diese Woche keinen Deckakt frei."
I don't speak German, but it was absolutely clear for me ! So I wrote another email, I wrote about our conversations, about promises etc. and I received another answer:
"Hallo,
zu diesem Zeitpunkt haben wir schon Hündinnen zu decken da.
Toni deckt,Dienstag,Mittwoch,Donnerstag und Freitag.
Es wäre nicht richtig,wenn wir zwei Hündinnen am Tag decken.
Bitte haben sie verständnis und das nächstemal bekommen Sie hundertprozentig einen Deckakt.
Gruß
Schneider Jürgen"
Can you imagine how I felt ? A few days earlier everything was OK and fine for Mrs.Schneider, and suddenly no chance for mating ? As I know now it was not even truth Toni had another females for mating, he was in China these time. So why they lied to me ? What for ? If they didn't make me a promise I could fix another great male for mating. Because of them I couldn't. They made me fool.
I wanted to mate my female with Furbo. But when I called his owner, he said that Furbo will stay in China till the end of 2010.
So me and my husband decided to mate her with beautiful Furbo son - Toni. My husband called his owners (of course it was before my female started a heat). Mr. Schneider doesn't speak English (we don't speak German), so he gave a phone to his wife. She was very nice, my husband asked her if there is a chance to mate our female with Toni, she said no problem and asked to call her first day of female's heat. So we did - my husband called Mrs. Schneider and told her that female just started her heat and she will be probably ready for mating around 9th of November. He also said that he will call her again after progesteron test and asked if it will be OK to tell her the exact date of mating 2 days before it. She said fine, no problem.
After a few days we did first progesteron test, it was very low. Two days later we did second progesteron test. It was 6th of November. On the next day my husband called Mrs. Schneider again, told her about progesteron result and said that we'll make next progesteron tomorrow (8th of November), but probably the best days for mating will be Tuesday or Wednesday (9th or 10th November, just like we said at the beginnig). Then Mrs. Schneider said that she doesn't understan the days names in English (!!!) and told my husband to send her an email (she said she prefers to read it). So I did. Next day in the morning I received the answer: " when will you come decking, you must say me the day". A few hours later, when (it was Monday) we did another progesteron - it was clear that female will be ready for mating on Wednesday or Thursday. My husband tried to call Mrs. Schneider, but she didn't pick up the phone. So I wrote her email with all infos.
I received the answer (in German): "Sorry,aber wir haben für diese Woche keinen Deckakt frei."
I don't speak German, but it was absolutely clear for me ! So I wrote another email, I wrote about our conversations, about promises etc. and I received another answer:
"Hallo,
zu diesem Zeitpunkt haben wir schon Hündinnen zu decken da.
Toni deckt,Dienstag,Mittwoch,Donnerstag und Freitag.
Es wäre nicht richtig,wenn wir zwei Hündinnen am Tag decken.
Bitte haben sie verständnis und das nächstemal bekommen Sie hundertprozentig einen Deckakt.
Gruß
Schneider Jürgen"
Can you imagine how I felt ? A few days earlier everything was OK and fine for Mrs.Schneider, and suddenly no chance for mating ? As I know now it was not even truth Toni had another females for mating, he was in China these time. So why they lied to me ? What for ? If they didn't make me a promise I could fix another great male for mating. Because of them I couldn't. They made me fool.
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