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by Videx on 25 June 2010 - 10:06
THE KENNEL CLUB AND THE BRITISH ASSOCIATION FOR GERMAN SHEPHERD DOGS (BAGSD)
The Kennel Club and The British Association For German Shepherd Dogs held a joint meeting on Tuesday 18th May 2010.
Representatives from the KC included the Chairman Mr. Ronnie Irving and Vice Chairman Mr. Bill Hardaway and representatives from BAGSD included the President Mrs D. Gater, Chairman Mr Bob Honey, Vice Chairman Mr Andrew Winfrow, Vice Chairman Mr Wayne Lacey.
Also attending Mr Brian Wooton KC Breed Council Representative.
The following point was discussed regarding the BAGSD involvement :
1. VPG Branches
The Kennel Club has agreed to change VPG to IPO and as from today such branches will now be called BAGSD IPO (International Working Test) Branches
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BAGSD may not fully understand the problems the IPO route will give their members with the obtaining of the SV Korung.
FCI rules for protection dog titles IPO
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http://www.videxgsd.com/PDF/FCI%20rules%20for%20protection%20dog%20titles%20IPO.pdf
http://www.videxgsd.com/F%C3%A9d%C3%A9ration_Cynologique_Internationale.htm
by Penny on 25 June 2010 - 12:06
On a less technical note, but one of courtesy, as secretary of Derbyshire VPG ( ?? IPO ?? ) I just wonder when the involved branches were going to be consulted. I have given up on being consulted on anything before the decision is made with BAGSD they treat their members like paying guests who should be pleased to be there ! - but I would have sure as hell thought that we might have had at least an inkling of a meeting - or a decision - or whatever..... same old same old then. I feel a decision coming on. There are reasons I am sticking it out, so please dont come back to me to ask why I still give BAGSD as a club the time of day. Mo.
by Abby Normal on 25 June 2010 - 12:06
I'm not sure I understand why this is a bad thing? Surely they are just adopting internationally recognised rules?
Can't comment on this issue of not being informed, as I am not a member, but it seems bad form.
Can't comment on this issue of not being informed, as I am not a member, but it seems bad form.
by Videx on 25 June 2010 - 12:06
I sincerely hope that GSD Breed Clubs here within Great Britain will soon rcognise the futility of retaining the GSD Breed Council.
I also hope that they will resign from the GSD Breed Council over the next 18 months.
I also hope that they will resign from the GSD Breed Council over the next 18 months.
by Penny on 25 June 2010 - 13:06
Why David ?
by hutch on 25 June 2010 - 13:06
I too couldn't understand where the problem is with IPO so I contacted an sv Kormeister:
For the requirements of Koerung, is a VPG qualification and IPO qualification exactly the same as a SchH qualifiaction of the same level and equally acceptable?
I don´t know what is VPG, but normally the SV recognizes IPO for Körung for dogs from foreign countries, as long they have 80 points in protection work.
I believe he means sv working judge rather than German but I may be wrong on that one.
As for not being consulted - the surprise is?
As for the breed council - what have they got to do with this thread?
Shirley
Question
For the requirements of Koerung, is a VPG qualification and IPO qualification exactly the same as a SchH qualifiaction of the same level and equally acceptable?
Answer
I don´t know what is VPG, but normally the SV recognizes IPO for Körung for dogs from foreign countries, as long they have 80 points in protection work.
But if these dogs should be used for breeding in Germany they must have IPO or SchH done with a German working judge.
I believe he means sv working judge rather than German but I may be wrong on that one.
As for not being consulted - the surprise is?
As for the breed council - what have they got to do with this thread?
Shirley
by jaymesie51 on 25 June 2010 - 13:06
If the BC is made up of member clubs why would they want to resign if things are not right then the clubs can put them right a breed council working properly is an asset and therefor should be kept and made to work for all member clubs.
jim h
jim h
by Member on 25 June 2010 - 13:06
The last three imported Males who were at stud in our Kennels each had a Sch qualifications as well as their other titles of IPO and VH ( Holland) it would appear with regards to two of them that the Sch qualifications were gained after they had their other titles. I am sure that the requirement to enter a Korung in German, that it is either beneficial or a rule that your dog has at least Sch h1. Most certainly a German official seems to be required. Also I am surprised in a previous post from one VPG branch they have stated they were not informed of the change of names. Quite recently when the KC announced the letters VTD for a BAGSD branch very soon this was made public and written about on this forum. Was this recent change of name published for consideration by the Kennel Club before agreeing to change it from it`s previous title. Most request made to the Kennel Club seem to take years, ( Alsatian) comes to mind but thats another matter. My own branch no longer a VTD/ VPG or IPO branch but now traditional was not notified of the title change and as members of the same association I would of thought we should have been .
John Ward.
John Ward.
by Penny on 25 June 2010 - 14:06
John
Isnt it the same as the consultation regarding BAGSD becoming a Limited company. When we got to AGM level, there were discrepancies regarding this and a small knowledgeable group insisted that a meeting be called when these discvrepancies had been levelled out - still waiting - All members of BAGSD pay their membership and get consulted by no-one about anything to do with the association, so whats the membership for?
I had to make enemies to get it recognised that each and every member of BAGSD should have a vote on the KC undertaking, and what flak I took from various numpties. Let me tell you in no uncertain terms that there were certain people that tried to push show people to the back and hope we would just go away - sorry guys.
I am livid that as a branch we were not even told that there was any move to change the name of our branch.... it seems like we are just their for their grace and favour, and if what David says is right, that it will compromise the gaining of a Koerung - why are BAGSD claiming in their magazine that they are forward thining that they held an SV Koerung?
Forward thinking my back-side - they dont think, they make decisions. Many times not good ones, and almost always to do with their own gains rather than their members opinion. I feel more flak coming - tough, time I brought out the old chestnut of democracy. Mo.
Isnt it the same as the consultation regarding BAGSD becoming a Limited company. When we got to AGM level, there were discrepancies regarding this and a small knowledgeable group insisted that a meeting be called when these discvrepancies had been levelled out - still waiting - All members of BAGSD pay their membership and get consulted by no-one about anything to do with the association, so whats the membership for?
I had to make enemies to get it recognised that each and every member of BAGSD should have a vote on the KC undertaking, and what flak I took from various numpties. Let me tell you in no uncertain terms that there were certain people that tried to push show people to the back and hope we would just go away - sorry guys.
I am livid that as a branch we were not even told that there was any move to change the name of our branch.... it seems like we are just their for their grace and favour, and if what David says is right, that it will compromise the gaining of a Koerung - why are BAGSD claiming in their magazine that they are forward thining that they held an SV Koerung?
Forward thinking my back-side - they dont think, they make decisions. Many times not good ones, and almost always to do with their own gains rather than their members opinion. I feel more flak coming - tough, time I brought out the old chestnut of democracy. Mo.
by hutch on 25 June 2010 - 14:06
David
"BAGSD may not fully understand the problems the IPO route will give their members with the obtaining of the SV Korung."
I don't understand the problems - can you explain more clearly - the links don't really do it.
Shirley
"BAGSD may not fully understand the problems the IPO route will give their members with the obtaining of the SV Korung."
I don't understand the problems - can you explain more clearly - the links don't really do it.
Shirley
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