Heritablilty of Temperment -- LINES - Page 1

OK all, this is part II of "Temperment"

Can those more experienced than myself "drop some names", please?

First of all, please know I have absolutely no interest in conformation show, nor any interest whatso-ever in sport SCHz, SCHz is wonderful, it's just not a goal for ME.  My feeling is that KNPV or HGH might be more in keeping with the temperment traits I'm interested in.

This is because based on observation, KNPV and HGH titles measure the dogs performance off lead at some distance from the handler. Being that effective, stable, reliable WORK OFF LEAD is the goal, well... it just looks like these are the titles where those abilities are best measured? Or? (I'm here to learn... !)

Can anyone suggest other titles to look for that measure off lead working ability?

If one is looking for the following traits (listed in order of importance, for my goals)  WHAT NAMES WOULD ONE LOOK FOR IN THE LINES?

1. VERY STRONG on recall and release (or what might be better summarized by the herder's term "biddable", meaning the dog's easily directed by the handler some distance away)

2. VERY STRONG civil protection, handler protective

3. LOWER general activity level (what some "working folks" would call Lazy... I call this "stable") a dog with better physical    control of motion, a dog without excess energy.

4. GOOD (not extreme, but good egnough for WORK) herding-play-prey drive

5. VERY STRONG bite


Trouble I'm having here, KNPV and HGH dogs seem to be such a tiny minority -- but I strongly suspect that since there are so few trials like this in the US, the ABILITY exists in dogs that don't have anywhere to trial?

Thanks for your help and input

Bobby

Reno Jipo-Me, look for dogs from this sire. He produced some nice dogs, and the line continues.


my preference..

Some people are more into other dogs.
Pack

thanks Pack!

VERY good looking dog -- have you any of Reno's progeny? Or spent any time with?

It makes for somewhat frustrating being unable to search by title's  directly from the database "search box"

God Bless
B

Some of the things you listed seem to be what I hear about east german lines, and seems to be true of my 3 yr old female. 
Biddable, very reliable off-leash (in fact almost all of our obedience training was trained off leash),  very handler oriented but uninterested in socializing with other people.   Stable at home with other housepets, but territorial toward intruders.  She is an active companion dog;  we bike, sheep herd, train obedience, and are starting nosework.  But she's a calm dog in the house as long as I don't neglect working with her for long.  There is a new yahoogroups list for people interested in discussion HGH training and bloodlines, etc.  Might be a good resource for you.  I think an HGH topic search on these boards will turn up a very recent post about it...

Heather

I'm very well acquainted with a daughter of Reno that fits your description well.  Unfortunately, she has inherited a degenerative disc disease.

Since you specifically asked for name dropping I will recommend that you take a look at my favorites. I can attest from experience that the dogs can be handled by relative amatures who just keep plugging away at consistent obedience. They are working lines and they do indeed have a distinct off switch. We have been known to have them en masse at family gatherings.
Good luck.



www.workinggermanshepherd.com


www.rokanhaus.com

Robin
Riot v Eichenluft, CGC
Warlock v Eichenluft
Queen Vashti v Monopters
Degen v Rokanhaus, CGC

Minus the strong civil, I'd bet.  No offense meant.

Daryl..

what do you mean by that.?.. my English swich is off I think.. LOL

Pack

I don't know a thing about Rockanhouse, but I would not describe Eichenluft as producing "VERY STRONG civil protection".  You simply can't produce 3 or 4 litters on a constant basis and expect to find a sufficient number of competent homes for all of the pups if you do.  To produce on that kind of volume, it makes more "marketable sense" to produce a type of dog that can live in a majority of typical homes, whether working or not, that won't be a challenge to their handlers.  I'm not saying that type of dog doesn't have its place, I'm just saying it doesn't fit the OP's description.