So who are the bad breeders? - Page 1

Whilst I am of course in total favour of health testing for any breed, the point that seems to be being missed is that many members of the public (and many people in other breeds) are still seeing roach backed and weak hocked dogs being shown.
Even David Payne on the front of the dog papers said we have had problems with this 'for decades'  and that bloke from Germany also said there are problems - so why have these dogs been allowed to be shown and even worse win?  Who are breeding and showing them?  And even worse, which judges have been putting them up?  I watched a class at  Manchester and the judge moved several dogs across and back together.  A very well known all rounder who likes the 'correct' type said to me -'and they don't think they have got problems?'  All of them could have knitted a sweater with their hocks if they had been given a ball of wool and all of them were PLACED. 

If you all go off and start having your own shows, who is going to ensure that only good representatives are shown and win if judges/exhibitors cannot see that there is a problem?

I have no doubt some of these dogs had their health tests, but if they are not conformationally sound what is the point of a piece of paper.

If you cannot accept that these dogs do exist and need to be removed from the showing/breeding pool then things can only get worse. 

Over a hundred views of this thread, and all too busy patting themselves on the back to actually answer the question. 

Doppelganger, that's one of the things that bothers me most about this situation. Any criticism of the German type of GSD is seen as a slam against ALL of the international type dogs.

You're either for us, or 'agin us, seems to be the attitude. And if you say there is ANYTHING wrong with our dogs, you must support [shudder!] those DREADFUL Alsatians!

I say, 'first remove the plank from you own eye, so you can see to remove the splinter from the other person's eye"!  Roach-backed, cow hocked dogs which can't even hold onto the sleeve in protection aren't going to win any respect for the breed. Nor is a dog club (the S.V.) that is rife with corruption.

No one has said that we do not have some hocky dogs we know we do and it will be dealt with through the proper channels what has been said is that it is not a health problem never heard of a dog dying because of cow hocks have you and you are correct that some have been placed it is a fault just like countless others, we are not blaming the KC for cow hocks we are blaming them for registering pups from known heam and epileptics no hd/ed tests etc that is what this is about and also the double handling issue (which if handled properly is not a problem) the KC is just a money making machine and will register any thing with a pulse (and even some that have no pulse) so long as you pay for it 
A for instance jo Bloggs has a nice pet dog Julie Public has a nice pet bitch so they let them mate bitch gets preg has pups Julie Public sends of the registrations for the pups with the money KC register them no health tests no pedigree check  but the dogs are over 1 year old and under 8 so that is the only requirement  do you honestly think that is the correct way to go
jim h

david,i know of someone who wanted to use a gsd male who had EPI.in her words,joe public would not know if they weren,t told.so this person could have sold pups with this condition.kc wouldnt have had a clue.fortunately this male was only a pet and the owner refused the stud service.she also mated a shitzu and would have falsified the stud dogs pedigree .THIS I KNOW IS TRUE AS I WAS THE PERSON SHE ASKED TO SEND THE PAPERS IN.Carole S.

well said Showshepherds4me.we all know which side of the fence the person who was filming the video at Manchester is on,DONT WE,THE ALSATIAN SIDE.Carole S.