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by snaffydoo on 25 March 2010 - 21:03
I hear today that mrs kean is a member of this club are they supporting her with that brilliant dog lagos and the way she as been treated by our kennel club and the tv
by Videx on 25 March 2010 - 21:03
They have stated they will, however the reality may prove to be very different with BAGSD.
by Penny on 25 March 2010 - 22:03
On 18th March 2010 I wrote the following letter to the general secretary, and to Andrew Winfrow. I have heard nothing, so if you have stimulated a reply David, well done - but the website is still as it was, with no mention.
I wrote.....
To the Executive Committee,
Re: Clockellys Lagos Sc.h.h3. Ad BH KKl.1. Breed Survey Class 1 Hip Score 3 : 3 - Elbows clear. BoB. Crufts 2010.
I am quite sure, like the rest of the world that you have all heard the furore regarding the above very correct, and highly qualified dog, both in health issues and character. I shall expect, without delay, that as Mrs Kean is a BAGSD member and a very upstanding highly thought of lady in our breed, you will all be joining together to make it known very loudly to the Kennel Club that you do not agree in any way with their actions, if you have not done so already.
I feel very strongly about this and I am not alone in any way. BAGSD have a duty to their members in more ways than taking membership fees, and now is the time for you all to allow the public, your members and the Kennel club to know what you really believe is right. Please allow the public, worldwide to see if BAGSD is a club with morals, and backbone, it is a vital issue, and will not go away by silence and apathy.
I hope by now, you will have written to Carol and given your feelings on the matter. If there was any doubt, in anyones mind that this dog was not a superior specimen with documentation to show that fact, then we would all be in a different position, but this dogs career has been marred in the eye of the public and Carols morale has hit a very low note. I am very dissappointed that I have had to hear that Carol is a BAGSD member via the internet, as I would have thought that it was worth the full home page of BAGSD website, denigrating the way in which Caroline Kisko and her lady friend behaved on television.. but I also note the absence of any congratulatory note on the website either. I sincerely hope that BAGSD are not taking the silence stand on this so as not to seem to be involved.... Carol Kean should be receiving the necessary proteciton from BAGSD with a request to Caroline Kisko that she make a full and public written apology to Carol for such nonsense.
.
I look forward to hearing fom you and thank you in anticipation.
M. Lakin.
I wrote.....
To the Executive Committee,
Re: Clockellys Lagos Sc.h.h3. Ad BH KKl.1. Breed Survey Class 1 Hip Score 3 : 3 - Elbows clear. BoB. Crufts 2010.
I am quite sure, like the rest of the world that you have all heard the furore regarding the above very correct, and highly qualified dog, both in health issues and character. I shall expect, without delay, that as Mrs Kean is a BAGSD member and a very upstanding highly thought of lady in our breed, you will all be joining together to make it known very loudly to the Kennel Club that you do not agree in any way with their actions, if you have not done so already.
I feel very strongly about this and I am not alone in any way. BAGSD have a duty to their members in more ways than taking membership fees, and now is the time for you all to allow the public, your members and the Kennel club to know what you really believe is right. Please allow the public, worldwide to see if BAGSD is a club with morals, and backbone, it is a vital issue, and will not go away by silence and apathy.
I hope by now, you will have written to Carol and given your feelings on the matter. If there was any doubt, in anyones mind that this dog was not a superior specimen with documentation to show that fact, then we would all be in a different position, but this dogs career has been marred in the eye of the public and Carols morale has hit a very low note. I am very dissappointed that I have had to hear that Carol is a BAGSD member via the internet, as I would have thought that it was worth the full home page of BAGSD website, denigrating the way in which Caroline Kisko and her lady friend behaved on television.. but I also note the absence of any congratulatory note on the website either. I sincerely hope that BAGSD are not taking the silence stand on this so as not to seem to be involved.... Carol Kean should be receiving the necessary proteciton from BAGSD with a request to Caroline Kisko that she make a full and public written apology to Carol for such nonsense.
.
I look forward to hearing fom you and thank you in anticipation.
M. Lakin.
by jaymesie51 on 25 March 2010 - 22:03
tHEY HAVE STATED THEY WILL then for f--ks sake get of your fat arses and get it done this is something that will not
go away BAGSD does this stand for bawless and gutless shit dumpers i just hope for carol and lagos and our breeds sake they do so soon
its been 2 weeks and we still have heard nothing from this so called gsd club.
jim h
go away BAGSD does this stand for bawless and gutless shit dumpers i just hope for carol and lagos and our breeds sake they do so soon
its been 2 weeks and we still have heard nothing from this so called gsd club.
jim h
by Penny on 26 March 2010 - 09:03
I couldnt agree more !
Andrew Winfrow and Bob Honey attended the week-end event at Catton Hall - not on Koerung day, but on the trials day, and not a mention - nothing at all. Personaly, they should be ashamed if they are not going to support Carol and Lagos - and certainly I think questions will certainly be asked at the AGM.
Will it alter things? Hmmmmm.
I am going to write to them again and ask for a reply, or even an acknowledgement that they have received and are giving my letter some consideration.
Mo.
by Sue B on 26 March 2010 - 10:03
Mo, I wouldnt bother wasting anymore of your time, paper, ink or postage writing to these people. Their response, if you get one, will be useless, will provid no satisfaction as it will get you no further forward than the decades of our Clubs remaining 'inside' the KC has got our Breed.
Bill Owen got it right the other week, nows the time to just walk away and leave them to it.
Regards
Sue
Bill Owen got it right the other week, nows the time to just walk away and leave them to it.
Regards
Sue
by Penny on 26 March 2010 - 11:03
But Sue,
I hear what you say, and I totally agree - but it sticks in my throat that a small band of people, having been left to it, by the sensible John Wards of this world, can command the stage, when their membership is vast.... and lots of that membership are good honest people. Eric Roberts has thrown the towel in, John Ward has thrown the towel in and no one can blame them..... however, the lotto motto comes to mind.....
you have to be in it to win it.
I am sure they would love me to rescind my membership. And Why? Because Shirley and I have made public waves about issues that needed going public, and it STILL hasnt moved any mountains. We have a member out there having struggled and demoralised after winning BOB at Crufts - and still they dont support her.
Personally, I think there needs to be a serious look at the behaviour of people making the decisions of BAGSD to see if all of the BAGSD members feel the right decisions are being made. I dont mean the vote, Although the vote was to be "counted" by the accountants,according to what we were told, it was "counted" by Doreen and AW and then taken to the accountant for verification...why bother people have asked. Doreen as secretary would have not an opinion I expect, but Andrew has certainly made his opinion known that he wanted to sign, and I doubt very much that Doreen was a member that didnt want to sign, so where was the fair play? I heard horrendous statements at the week-end trial, enough for me to know that there is a "Mafia style" intelligence among some of those leading this large, affluent association. Everyone is accountable, and so should be. Mo.
I hear what you say, and I totally agree - but it sticks in my throat that a small band of people, having been left to it, by the sensible John Wards of this world, can command the stage, when their membership is vast.... and lots of that membership are good honest people. Eric Roberts has thrown the towel in, John Ward has thrown the towel in and no one can blame them..... however, the lotto motto comes to mind.....
you have to be in it to win it.
I am sure they would love me to rescind my membership. And Why? Because Shirley and I have made public waves about issues that needed going public, and it STILL hasnt moved any mountains. We have a member out there having struggled and demoralised after winning BOB at Crufts - and still they dont support her.
Personally, I think there needs to be a serious look at the behaviour of people making the decisions of BAGSD to see if all of the BAGSD members feel the right decisions are being made. I dont mean the vote, Although the vote was to be "counted" by the accountants,according to what we were told, it was "counted" by Doreen and AW and then taken to the accountant for verification...why bother people have asked. Doreen as secretary would have not an opinion I expect, but Andrew has certainly made his opinion known that he wanted to sign, and I doubt very much that Doreen was a member that didnt want to sign, so where was the fair play? I heard horrendous statements at the week-end trial, enough for me to know that there is a "Mafia style" intelligence among some of those leading this large, affluent association. Everyone is accountable, and so should be. Mo.
by Penny on 27 March 2010 - 07:03
I have had on good authority the news that BAGSD have in fact written to the kennel club "some time ago" they are waiting for a reply.
In the conversation, it was promised that a congratulatory page would be put up on their website for Lagos. Mo..
In the conversation, it was promised that a congratulatory page would be put up on their website for Lagos. Mo..
by noddi on 27 March 2010 - 07:03
hopefuuly they will put the kc,s reply on their website for all to see .i await with bated breath.mo,do yu know how carol is at the moment.if you,re in contact with her pass on my best wishes please.Carole S.
by redriding on 27 March 2010 - 08:03
Mo
lots of decent members of bagsd out there sure
'mafia' style behaviour dont even begin to describe the actions of the bunch currenty controlling bagsd though
get the real picture- talk to those you mention who have recently left
talk to the ex vpg chair-man mt
talk to other dog sport people now with the league/packed up altogether
then decide if it is even moral to remain
PS I hope your computor has good protection- if not avoid e mail exchange with anyone from bagsd ec (or asociated)
Red
lots of decent members of bagsd out there sure
'mafia' style behaviour dont even begin to describe the actions of the bunch currenty controlling bagsd though
get the real picture- talk to those you mention who have recently left
talk to the ex vpg chair-man mt
talk to other dog sport people now with the league/packed up altogether
then decide if it is even moral to remain
PS I hope your computor has good protection- if not avoid e mail exchange with anyone from bagsd ec (or asociated)
Red
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