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by ali2020 on 18 February 2010 - 08:02
im gonna be starting my lil boy shane on raw diet. he is only 4.5 months old and weigh 52lbs. I read that i should be giving chicken necks and backs for the first week and then add other meat is that true.
2) 5%-6% of his body weight , so i should be giving him 5% of 52 or its gonna be desired weight.
3)should i feed him 3 times a day or 2 ?.
thanks
2) 5%-6% of his body weight , so i should be giving him 5% of 52 or its gonna be desired weight.
3)should i feed him 3 times a day or 2 ?.
thanks
by AmbiiGSD on 18 February 2010 - 09:02
What is he a St Bernard?
That's some weight for a 18 week old pup.
Raw feeding is one of those things that over time, you learn to use your eye to feed.
If you try and do it by percentages, it won't work... every dog is different.
Some of mine could happily live on 6 chicken wings a day whilst others would plough through double that and still look like they needed more. I had one that only had to sniff a chicken wing and the thought went straight to her hips!
My 6 wingers a day would do well on 3 backs a day...as a comparison.
I've never fed chicken necks, only turkey necks so can't comment on those.
Start him out on a couple of wings twice a day and see how he goes... but I maybe the wrong person to give advice, I've never started apup at that age on BARF, mine have all been weaned on it.
Hopefully someone else can help more.
That's some weight for a 18 week old pup.
Raw feeding is one of those things that over time, you learn to use your eye to feed.
If you try and do it by percentages, it won't work... every dog is different.
Some of mine could happily live on 6 chicken wings a day whilst others would plough through double that and still look like they needed more. I had one that only had to sniff a chicken wing and the thought went straight to her hips!
My 6 wingers a day would do well on 3 backs a day...as a comparison.
I've never fed chicken necks, only turkey necks so can't comment on those.
Start him out on a couple of wings twice a day and see how he goes... but I maybe the wrong person to give advice, I've never started apup at that age on BARF, mine have all been weaned on it.
Hopefully someone else can help more.
by ali2020 on 18 February 2010 - 09:02
haha, no hes not a St Bernard, he is actaully very skinny, i think all the weight comes from his big head plus those huge paws. yeah i ll be looking forward for some answers here.
by ali2020 on 18 February 2010 - 09:02
haha, no hes not a St Bernard, he is actaully very skinny, i think all the weight comes from his big head plus those huge paws. yeah i ll be looking forward for some answers here.
by VonWal on 18 February 2010 - 13:02
You REALLY need to read some information on feeding RAW. May I suggest Raw Dog Ranch? (http://www.rawdogranch.com)
A RAW dog is not fed 5%-6% of its body weight. A dog is fed 2-3% of its body weight, but that is a guideline to start out. If your dog is losing weight, feed a little more, generally MM. If your dog is gaining too much weight, feed a little less. When you do feed, make sure that if you buy it with the skin, etc. you leave the skin, etc. on it for fats and such.
You need to feed him according to proper proportions (and I'm going to use chicken as the example since that's what you're asking about) of RMBs (Raw Meaty Bones such as chicken necks, backs, quarters, etc.), MM (Muscle Meat such as chicken breasts,) and OM (Organ Meat such as livers and kidneys.) You need to slowly introduce the OMs though as it could cause diarrhea/upset stomach from being rich. It's the OM that contain vitamins and minerals such as iron which is important to a dog's diet.
My advice (after reading some info on Raw Dog Ranch and determining what "formula" to use) is to go to a department store or grocery store and invest in a kitchen scale (you can get one, for example, at Wal-Mart or Target if you're in the U.S., for $7-$10.) This will help you immensely in the beginning, and you can continue weighing via scale, or "eyeball it" as some of the more advanced RAW feeders sometimes do.
We feed our dogs twice a day - morning and night, but you can feed your dog three times a day if that's what he's used to eating. In the evening, before bed, we give our two dogs homemade dog cookies so that their stomach has something else to digest.
I've seen great results since switching our two dogs to RAW. Both are about the same age. We don't know the exact birthdate on the one since she was an animal shelter rescue. Their coats have gotten smoother and shiny, their teeth are white, they've put on and maintained a healthy weight, and their BMs are regular (and smaller!)
A RAW dog is not fed 5%-6% of its body weight. A dog is fed 2-3% of its body weight, but that is a guideline to start out. If your dog is losing weight, feed a little more, generally MM. If your dog is gaining too much weight, feed a little less. When you do feed, make sure that if you buy it with the skin, etc. you leave the skin, etc. on it for fats and such.
You need to feed him according to proper proportions (and I'm going to use chicken as the example since that's what you're asking about) of RMBs (Raw Meaty Bones such as chicken necks, backs, quarters, etc.), MM (Muscle Meat such as chicken breasts,) and OM (Organ Meat such as livers and kidneys.) You need to slowly introduce the OMs though as it could cause diarrhea/upset stomach from being rich. It's the OM that contain vitamins and minerals such as iron which is important to a dog's diet.
My advice (after reading some info on Raw Dog Ranch and determining what "formula" to use) is to go to a department store or grocery store and invest in a kitchen scale (you can get one, for example, at Wal-Mart or Target if you're in the U.S., for $7-$10.) This will help you immensely in the beginning, and you can continue weighing via scale, or "eyeball it" as some of the more advanced RAW feeders sometimes do.
We feed our dogs twice a day - morning and night, but you can feed your dog three times a day if that's what he's used to eating. In the evening, before bed, we give our two dogs homemade dog cookies so that their stomach has something else to digest.
I've seen great results since switching our two dogs to RAW. Both are about the same age. We don't know the exact birthdate on the one since she was an animal shelter rescue. Their coats have gotten smoother and shiny, their teeth are white, they've put on and maintained a healthy weight, and their BMs are regular (and smaller!)
by VomMarischal on 18 February 2010 - 18:02
Why does everybody capitalize RAW?
I wouldn't bother with those expensive raw blends. And you feed a puppy based on what you think its weight will be when fully grown, so 2-4% of a hundred pounds, sounds like. So 2-4 lbs per day for your dog. Yes, start with chicken backs, but not necks because a 50 lb dog will just swallow them whole and get no satisfaction. Better yet, if you can find small WHOLE chickens, use those, or half of a large one.
The best information you can get on feeding raw, and on settling your nervous mind about it, is on the Rawfeeders group on Yahoo groups. You will learn not to be too....persnickety, not to add too many supplements, which bones you can feed, which meats will end diarrhea overnight, etc.
VM
I wouldn't bother with those expensive raw blends. And you feed a puppy based on what you think its weight will be when fully grown, so 2-4% of a hundred pounds, sounds like. So 2-4 lbs per day for your dog. Yes, start with chicken backs, but not necks because a 50 lb dog will just swallow them whole and get no satisfaction. Better yet, if you can find small WHOLE chickens, use those, or half of a large one.
The best information you can get on feeding raw, and on settling your nervous mind about it, is on the Rawfeeders group on Yahoo groups. You will learn not to be too....persnickety, not to add too many supplements, which bones you can feed, which meats will end diarrhea overnight, etc.
VM
by VonWal on 18 February 2010 - 21:02
"Why does everybody capitalize RAW?"
RAW.....Raw And Wriggly ;)
RAW.....Raw And Wriggly ;)
by VomMarischal on 19 February 2010 - 21:02
EW!
by Lakota of Laurel Creek on 19 February 2010 - 22:02
Am I reading this correctly??I thought chicken bones are bad for dogs?Or do the neck bones don`t splinter? whats a good commercial food? thanks
by VomMarischal on 20 February 2010 - 00:02
Only COOKED bones are bad for dogs, chicken included. Your vet will disagree and be wrong.
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