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by Sue B on 18 January 2010 - 21:01
This is borne out by the FACT that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the KC Undertaking relates to the running of the Obedience Champ Shows, for the following reasons :-
1) Obedience Champ Shows are NOT BREED SPECIFIC in that they are OPEN to ALL BREEDS OF DOG be they PEDIGREE or MONGREL.!!
2) The Double Handling or Outside Attraction of Exhibits is not applicable in the same way in Obedience.
3) Unsoundness in a dog IS NOT being assessed by an OBEDIENCE JUDGE at an OBEDIENCE SHOW.
Just wanted to inform all those who are under the false illusion that the KC Undertaking (in its current form) could possibly effect your Obedience shows.
Best Regards
Sue b
by Sue B on 18 January 2010 - 22:01
by Sue B on 19 January 2010 - 10:01
. Bumpby Penny on 19 January 2010 - 10:01
Thanks for that confirmaton Sue. I think it should make an enormous difference if clubs were thinking that way.
Mo
by Aileen Ann Mathieson on 19 January 2010 - 16:01
Hi All,
Really glad this has been brought up, a lot of us were thinking along the lines that if a Club has a large contingent of Obedience/Agility people they may just sign. However, it may be good for them to think of their Show Colleagues before diving in here.
Many Clubs have a small Show side to them, unless they are ONLY SHOW alone, so why not consider your colleagues when you vote or decide, these are the people who are perhaps on your Commitees or even just members that put a lot of work into the Clubs, maybe just paperwork, e-mail support, attend the Obedience Classes with their Show GSDs and help at shows in both disciplines and so on.
This has shown up how DISCRIMINATIVE the KC are in these issues.
We attend an Obedience Club and I have heard first hand how this Club respects ALL the breeds that attend and if they think ANY BREED of dog is not physically fit enough to do Agility they will advise the owners - this is the correct way to deal with problems in all breeds. So at least we feel happy they are not pushing dogs that are not fit into something that may harm them.
Dogs, like humans, with any debilitating illness will not be able or should not be forced to do anything they are not capable of, so I think the issue about soundness does NOT just apply to the GSD - most large breeds suffer from hip dysplasia and other bone diseases. Just like human babies, animal babies have to learn to walk and run in stages and no 2 people or dogs are the same. If an adult dog continues to show any problems at a later stage then fine penalise it , but DO NOT PENALISE A WHOLE BREED because of the few.
Lets hope the Clubs will be fair to their Members and think before they Act, we can only wait and hope I suppose.
Aileen
by Jeevs on 19 January 2010 - 23:01
by Penny on 20 January 2010 - 00:01
I dont think anyone was thinking of not being fair to their members - informed decisions are the best - not blundering away and deciding before asking members, and forward thinking clubs are at this moment organising meetings for all of their members hurrying along a meeting to put it on to their Agenda and inform members that its going to be on there etc There is certainly no issue to break away from the KC either - but they dont have the monopoly on dog showing, that is for certain, and cannot stop people enjoying their sport.
However, this isnt truly all about double handling and soundness either - this is about the beginning of a dictatorial body of people - getting worse - who should know that you catch more flies with a honey pot than with a hammer.
The GSD folk - those who care, are all addressing every issue that they can regarding health and welfare and do far more than the KC will ever deem to require, as it would cost them money from refusing registrations from puppy farmers -
The Kennel Clubs antiquated way of dealing with issues that they want rid of (i.e. GSD folk telling them they should only register from hip scored animals for one) is to lay down rules... some of which as has been pointed out in other posts, are ILLEGAL - however, sign on the dotted line and they become legal to your particular club very quickly.
If your boss asks you to go to work and not get paid, it would be illegal - but sign his bit of paper in agreement, and see what a court of law says..... Jeevs, if you think this is the end of an era with the KC? - its just the beginning, their papertrail will increase and increase, and those daft enough to sign it will be carried along like leaves in the wind - being further tied up in Somerset House.
Am I bitter? Yes I bloody am. The Kennel Club has had my monies for my dogs registrations, showing, change of ownership, Kennel Affix yearly etc etc since 1973 and what have they given me for it? Have they secured health plans for my beloved breed to stop puppy farmers having the same benefits as me? NO
Have they set up a scheme of accreditation that really is working? No they bloody havent, today we had a lady come to our training afternoon, really nice lady, and wants to do everything right to breed her first litter of Cocker Spaniels NEXT YEAR - so her first step was to join the Accredited Breeder Scheme with the K.C That is the hold they have over the general public, and its little short of dangerous - she was amazed when I told her of the health issues that were not needed to register her puppy - she then became very aware of why the Cocker she owned, fully registered, could not be bred from according to the breeder NOT THE KC - because he suffered two hereditory faults, Speaks volumes, but the KC is a big organisation and puffs its chest out to the public every day its just that it doesnt impress people that are striving to do everything they can for their breed. Mo
by Langhaar on 21 January 2010 - 15:01
by Penny on 26 January 2010 - 00:01
Have I missed something that is written then? I dont see that - might be me shooting through it all. Mo.
by Sue B on 26 January 2010 - 14:01
If I were you I would be MORE WORRIED IF BAGDS DID CONSULT THEIR MEMBERS!!! Remember I was Gen Sec of BAGDS for as long as I could stand it (least said on here the better).
HOWEVER, thats not why I came to post, what I really came on here to say is that BAGSD have MORE MEMBERS who are owners of Border Collies, Mongrels etc than they have of GSD Owners, so think about it, DO YOU REALLY WANT THESE TYPE OF OWNERS (of other breeds) DECIDING HOW SHEPHERDS SHOULD BE EXHIBITED????? Just a thought that perhaps you should bare in mind.
Actually what you really DO NEED TO CONSIDER is HOW THE EXEC COMMITTEE WORD THEIR LETTER TO MEMBERS (thats if there is going to be one) because HOW THEY WORD IT (For example note how magnificantly the League letter was worded ) will very much EFFECT THE REPLIES THEY GET.
For example, IF THE EXEC COMMITTEE WANT TO SIGN, then they can word the letter to members in such a way that could frighten them into signing or at least be advising them to sign. If they DONT WANT TO SIGN IT, then they could find a way of wording it which would explain to ALL THE NONE GSD OWNERS THAT this will have ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT to them whatsoever and SO ADVISE THEM TO IGNORE.
With this in mind, now stand back and OBSERVE the OUTCOME, IT WILL BE A VERY INTERESTING if not (to say the least) ENLIGHTENING !!!
All the best
Sue
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