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lancegfx

by lancegfx on 07 December 2009 - 17:12

So I just want to know which today's dogs/lines from West German Working have clear head AND real defensive working drive? Dog not for sport but real life.

jletcher18

by jletcher18 on 09 December 2009 - 03:12

interesting.  i thought there would be plenty of replys to this

john

by DDRshep on 09 December 2009 - 04:12

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/519713.html

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/429390.html

Both from same sire. Both have done well in sport too. So sport and real life are not always at odds.
I'm sure plenty of police dogs out there can be mentioned too but most of them nowadays have Czech lines.




jletcher18

by jletcher18 on 09 December 2009 - 04:12

gotta love those karthago lines.  

john

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 09 December 2009 - 05:12

This dog is capable of both, and thus far, has produced pups who are the same way. Sure, they can do sport, but they don't really care if you're wearing a sleeve or not if you piss them off. ;-)
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/578580.html

I think her West lines are some of the best around...not your typically over-bred stuff...you all know who I mean. Those "in the know" have been extremely impressed w/her W. Ger lines.

4pack

by 4pack on 09 December 2009 - 05:12

John, do you think Enzo passes some of this on? Dar isn't exactly a points dog right? He looks pretty down to business in your videos. From the get go, everyone has said Baden is more serious.  You have met Enzo, where I have not. Baden is less prey, more civil but super clear, not snapping at anyone he isn't suppossed to. Can take all the pressure in the world and keep going. Not sure about my baby boy yet, he is a goof still, where Baden was serious even as a pup. Different mentality on this one and more prey from what my trainer says, 50/50.

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 09 December 2009 - 06:12

Not to derail, but geez, 4pack..Baden sounds so much like one of mine. LOVE that type.

Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 09 December 2009 - 16:12

DDRshep,
Those are very nice dogs.  Both Kathargo and Satoris have produced some great dogs.   I will agree that many of the current GSD's used for Police work are Czech dogs, that I see.  My dog is an example of that.  He is extremely clear headed, high drive, super high prey drive, with a very serious civl side.  It's hard for me to say whether he has more prey than defense, because both are so high.  He has a high prey drive with a high defense drive, but no handler aggression.  He is also a pretty hard dog and tolerates corrections well with no loss of drive.  He would be a top level sports dog with his hard, full crushing grips.  I hope to compete with him in SchH if I'm allowed by my PD. I am definitely going to compete in some Police K9 competitions.  He has had several "real" street bites and I'm astonished at how full and hard they were.  The bites are all the way to the back of his mouth, very calm and very crushing, this is unusual for a real bite and it is genetic.  This dog does not growl or bark when he is amped up and ready to bite, he just stares.  I have to be very careful because people don't realize what they are getting into when they meet him on the street.  They think because he is calm and quiet that he is not going to bite and it's just the opposite;  he is like a crocodile waiting to strike. 



4pack,
Baden sounds awesome, my kind of dog.  Are you ready to sell him yet? 

Let me know when your ready..

jim


4pack

by 4pack on 09 December 2009 - 17:12

LOL Jim, sounds like the Doo Monster. I have called him a croc before. Out on the end of the line waiting, mouth open. Getting him to bark was no easy task. Went many a tranining day being teased up and put away because he didn't want to bark. I laugh at the mouth open bit, as if he is wishing the decoy to trip and fall inside.
 
Didn't hear my dog bark until he was 9mos or so old. Once he got that bark, meant he'd get a decoy walking closer, he would bark on comand at the drop of a hat. Everyone told me, wait until he gets his bark, he wont shut up at home. Not the case, he is still quiet at home and even in the crate at training. Love, love, love this dog. He's so easy, like a point and shoot camera. Alway the full calm grip you talk about with your dog too, genetics, aren't they beautiful?

Heck no he ain't for sale! This dog will go nowhere. How about you drop your boy off for a visit, next time you stop to have a pow wow with Hans?

by schdiva on 09 December 2009 - 18:12

 Jim,  You described my Gator!  He looks so nice, but he is soooo intense.  But he is only a year old and has a lot to learn.  Full crushing bites waaay back in his huge mouth.





 


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