training using compulsion - Page 1

Id like to know if the top trainers today use compulsion in there training?
Obviously at some point compulsion is needed in the training.
Is it something no one talks about because its taboo?
I personally think its used but to what extent?
Does this depend on the dogs drive?
Is it possible, with a good dog, to work him with compulsion when young to get a  very clear picture eg sit is sit, and then later bring up the drive?

yes I belive is still in use. It will depend on a dog, some of the tough real dogs need it to stay in check, if you wont check them they will check you.

You can  not use positive reinforcemenent only. Training is a ballance between positive and negative. Just like life. If you go too much one way or the other you will have problem.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

You must first define compulsion/correction in training. Correction is always needed in training with all dogs. Some trainers can and do use compulsion for training  but you have to be very good at reading dogs or you have no chance of sucess and a 100% chance of ruining your dog. Leave it to those that can do it and if you want those points go and find your mentor no matter how far they are from you. Reading dogs is everything in the use of compulsive training. More dogs are ruined by people seeing this training and trying to use it.  

>  The last two comments are spot on! Compulsion trained correctly as well as the praise giving timely and motivated produces just as happy a dog I feel as one with a toy. The key is praise, praise, praise!!
>  I work and train PSDs, I use compulsion and require all my students to reward verbally and physically as if every correct exercise was the greatest one the K-9 has ever completed correctly. I also keep a throw chain on hand to toss at my handlers as a reminder, in the event they forget to praise or do not praise to either I or the K-9s satisfaction!!

I had a training director ruin my big touch bitch, because he refused to allow corrections on the field. After a year, I revolted against his "superior knowledge," but Ally now believes that she can flip me off and not have to suffer for it. Just try fixing THAT. What a freaking drag. Very little motivational training works on her now; she HAS to have corrections. I think giving her the idea that she has free will was a very very bad plan, but maybe that's just because she's such a hard-ass. My TD's dogs were not strong, so it all worked fine for HIM.