Judging - Page 1

Can some one tell me please are judges allowed to judge their own breeding as at the recent Birmingham open show ? Its bad enough when they put up their stud dogs off springs.Yet another nail in the sports coffin !

It's a difficult one.  If the dog(s) in question are the best there, the judge cannot knock them back just to demonstrate impartiality, that would be just as bad judging as putting them up if they don't deserve it.

Margaret N-J.

I can assure you Pencil that you are not allowed under Kennel Club Rules to judge any dog that you have bred.  How ever at Birmingham Show two things - Paul has only ever bred one litter and none of them are in show homes or entered at the show.  The only Nikonis dog to be entered was Nikonis Arthur who was only entered to give Paul an entry for his first judging appointment and was never at the show and even if he had been he was bred by myself and not Paul.  It is like saying that Shirley cannot judge any dog that Mo has bred.  They are two different breeders in their own right who have seperate interests in the same affix.  I doubt if either Paul or I would ever judge a dog the other has bred and probably the same would apply to Mo and Shirley if for no other reason than the small minded, petty people like yourself who would just have to comment on it.
Nikki Farley
Nikonis GSD

So two people with same affix but different interests, wonder how the KC. allowed that.Not being at the show -for obvious reasons-or put another way same as everybody else who stayed away, so I got the results from the Jaquenetta site,and in doing so thought this cant be right surely.So I was looking for a ruling on the subject, its your fault if you bit !
But back to one of my major concerns-the decline of the breed-cannot you and your cohorts see that none of it looks good to the moral few, answer- of course you can, but you just dont care, there have been many sharp practices in recent years all up and down the country, that and that alone is the main reason for the decline.

So two people with same affix but different interests, wonder how the KC. allowed that.Not being at the show -for obvious reasons-or put another way same as everybody else who stayed away, so I got the results from the Jaquenetta site,and in doing so thought this cant be right surely.So I was looking for a ruling on the subject, its your fault if you bit !
But back to one of my major concerns-the decline of the breed-cannot you and your cohorts see that none of it looks good to the moral few, answer- of course you can, but you just dont care, there have been many sharp practices in recent years all up and down the country, that and that alone is the main reason for the decline.

Obvious reasons being that you have nothing good enough to show.  You really are a small minded person aren't you pencil.  Nowhere on the Jaquenetta results does it mention a Nikonis dog being placed at the show so why even mention it?  Why?  Because none were shown!  In this day and age many open shows have small entries and certainly so at this time of year.  For a first judging appointment it was a godd entry with some quality dogs entered including a Champion.  What was it that didn't look good to you and your cohorts?  No moral issues at this show I am afraid or even sharp practicies what ever they might be.  People are more concerned with keeping their jobs to enable them to continue keeping their dogs than to worry about attending shows these days.  Your concerns pencil are very lacking in sincerity I am afraid.

Hi Pencil,

At it again I see.   Would you like a judging appointment?.   I would like to invite you to judge please at Birmingham and District GSD Championship show, it could save us some money
We will be holding our show in the nearest telephone box, and will have two rings, and outside caterers.  We will have plenty of room, and the way you excite people and make friends our catalogue allowance would be ordered as possibly two required besides the K.C. copies and one for the secretary.  -  and YOU wonder why entries are low?  Pauls first judging appointment, and you have to come on here and be so daft?    YOUR TYPE OF COMMENTS are the reason that entries are so low,  Iwouldnt mind if you believed in yourself, then you would put your name at the end of your posts, its obvious that you dont.

Paul did a splendid job, and the day went well.  As far as I have seen or heard, Pencil is the only one to get his knicker elastic twisted about affixes, and dogs etered, and KC rules......, but no one is too worried as its his norm.  My mums been very ill recently, and has been in a very low mood - couldnt see good in anyone or anything, and was really suffering.....Pencil .... the doctor reviewed her medication, and now she is lovely again - go for it.
Mo - Mascani.

NikkiF.

YOu said nowhere does it show a Nikonis dog winning a class on Jaquenetta. Yes its not there now but it WAS displayed in Yearling dog as the winner and only enterant.Obviously Jaquenetta got the result wrong ( I suspose  that's the reason for changing the result ).As I said I was just enquiring about KC rule guidance-its was you who got your ???? in a twist.
While we are on the subject then morally speaking, YOU would NEVER enter your own show or a show you have been secretary of ?

penny:

OK will except your judging appointment, have you got a phone box small enough for the enteries that you seem to get-whilst no one who belongs to my club or uses my stud dogs or buys my pups would have the nerve to take part. I suggest a match box ! Some of us still have principles and codes of conduct.

Pencil - I have never entered a show where I have been Show Secretary.  I was most embarrased when we had Whisky in our kennels and the owner insisted that he would enter him at the Two Day Show for which I was Secretary and I insisted that he take him away from my kennels if that was what he wanted to do.  He left my kennel 3 months before the show never to return.  That was unfortunately something I had little control over but not of my making believe me.  When it comes to entering a show where you are a Committee member but not an official at that show then if the club has no rules against it then why not?  One person cannot choose a judge on their own in a Committee of 12 and as someone else said - why should you be penalised at the only show that is on your doorstep?  It is hard enough trying to find people to wortk on a Committee - something which has been said time and time again - if you don;'t like the way things are done then there is only one solution - get yourself on the Committee and get things changed.  Your only chance to effect change is to do it from within - so what are you waiting for?