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by Mystere on 10 June 2009 - 19:06
I am sure that someone will correct me, if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that in 2010, the SV will "recognize" the longcoats (those with an undercoat, only). But, they are NOT to be bred with the stockcoats and separate breed books, shows and surveys will be maintained for them. Otherwise the standard and breeding requirements will be the same.
Interesting, huh?
Interesting, huh?
by wuzzup on 10 June 2009 - 19:06
Very interesting indeed . I must say I am pleased with that . Thanks Mystere I was wondering about the coat debate and how it was turning out .
by SitasMom on 10 June 2009 - 22:06
Why the separate books?
What if a "coated" and "mole coat" (too short of hair) are bred, and the pups turn out having perfect stock coats.......?
Aren't the coated dogs used to keep stock from becoming too short?
by Mystere on 10 June 2009 - 22:06
I think some people are going to be very disappointed, because they thought the matter was going to go back to the status up to the mid-90's. That is not what is going to happen, apparently. The coats are not going to be integrated back into the breed/genetic pool. Instead, they will be kept apart. What I would like to know (assuming my understanding of the decision is correct) is:
1. What happens with the coat that occasionally pops up in litters produced by two stockcoats? Does that coat go into this new set of breed books and become "breedable" in the longcoat segment?
2. What happens with the stockcoat dogs that consistently produce a coat or two (or three or four) in each breeding?
3. Will siblings be kept in separate books, almost as separate breeds? Will there be some manner of cross-reference, so the stockhaired siblings of outstanding longcoats can be easily identified for potential breeding?
4. Will there be some definitive means of determining which dogs are longcoats vs. "plush coats"?
5. Will a "plush coat" that is determined to be a longcoat be "exiled" to the longcoat stud books, shows, surveys, etc. What if the plush is already titled and surveyed?
(I hate to ever compare events with dogs to those involving human beings, but doesn't this start to look a lot like the situation in South Africa, before apartheid was destroyed)
5. How would this work in the US? Nevermind, there are so many coats out there already that it is simply a function of which clubs are going to host "long coat only" shows and surveys. I am sure that "somebody" will host a longcoat Sieger Show, and I would imagine that the number of entries the first few times could be staggering. (ka-ching!!!)
The more I think about it, the more frightening it is: the money-grubbers are going to come out of the woodwork on this one!! All the folks with coats that have been excluded from both AKC and German-style shows will be seen as plums ripe for the picking. I would not be at all surprised if the entries in the longcoat version of a Sieger Show far outstrips both the USA Sieger Show and the NASS combined as a result.
(ka-ching, ka-ching!!)
1. What happens with the coat that occasionally pops up in litters produced by two stockcoats? Does that coat go into this new set of breed books and become "breedable" in the longcoat segment?
2. What happens with the stockcoat dogs that consistently produce a coat or two (or three or four) in each breeding?
3. Will siblings be kept in separate books, almost as separate breeds? Will there be some manner of cross-reference, so the stockhaired siblings of outstanding longcoats can be easily identified for potential breeding?
4. Will there be some definitive means of determining which dogs are longcoats vs. "plush coats"?
5. Will a "plush coat" that is determined to be a longcoat be "exiled" to the longcoat stud books, shows, surveys, etc. What if the plush is already titled and surveyed?
(I hate to ever compare events with dogs to those involving human beings, but doesn't this start to look a lot like the situation in South Africa, before apartheid was destroyed)
5. How would this work in the US? Nevermind, there are so many coats out there already that it is simply a function of which clubs are going to host "long coat only" shows and surveys. I am sure that "somebody" will host a longcoat Sieger Show, and I would imagine that the number of entries the first few times could be staggering. (ka-ching!!!)
The more I think about it, the more frightening it is: the money-grubbers are going to come out of the woodwork on this one!! All the folks with coats that have been excluded from both AKC and German-style shows will be seen as plums ripe for the picking. I would not be at all surprised if the entries in the longcoat version of a Sieger Show far outstrips both the USA Sieger Show and the NASS combined as a result.
(ka-ching, ka-ching!!)by wuzzup on 10 June 2009 - 23:06
Thats what I have been wondering . So many what if's .
by SitasMom on 11 June 2009 - 05:06
it will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.
Sita is coated out of two stockcoats..........Hero had a brother and sister out of his litter that were coated.......
How will it all workout>
Sita is coated out of two stockcoats..........Hero had a brother and sister out of his litter that were coated.......
How will it all workout>
by 1doggie2 on 13 June 2009 - 15:06
Most of us that have LC's are spayed or N.
by wuzzup on 13 June 2009 - 16:06
Does any one know what they have been doing with the long coated pups of past that have been born in Germany ? Are they sold to other countries ? With or with out the pink papers ? Or have they been culled ? I am serious in wanting an answer to this question . I am not being facetious or trying to stir the pot .I would just like to know .
by Mystere on 13 June 2009 - 19:06
Jeanne,
There is at least one LC gsd organization in Germany. There has always been a market for them in Europe, just as ther is in the US. Some people simple like, even prefer, LCs. So, I doubt that they were culled. I know folks who have competed internationally with LCs, prior to the time they were "kicked out."
by wuzzup on 13 June 2009 - 21:06
I was afraid when I did not get any answer to the question , I would be having a very sad day at the thought of culled pups just for the coat length . I was thinking that with the invent of the new carrier of this and that gene tests developed in the last ten or so years it may have eliminated some culling . I was holding on to that thought . However I was also muling around thoughts of the worst . Thanks for the answer Mystere .
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