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by GermanShepherd<3 on 08 May 2010 - 01:05

What is the likeliness that a stud dog with more of the "droopy" lips/mouth will pass that on to a male puppy? I have seen this feauture only in males so far and never really in females.
I really like this feauture and here is a dog that I really like from a breeder in Florida:

http://www.vonwittenberge.com/ourdogs-studs-2.html

What do you think about this breeder? Also. if you can tell me a little about his pedigree as I am not so good with all the VA stuff as a I am learning and doing my homework carefully. What was Vegas' characteristic that was more of? Temperament that's softer like Zamp, or working ability like Yasko. Maybe in between?

Well thanks so much and for being patient with me! I know many people think this trait is undesirable if it is shown too much but I personally am beginning to see it a lot more often, and i really like it.

Thanks!

by hodie on 08 May 2010 - 01:05

Drooping jowls is considered a fault. There are good reasons to be concerned about it as these dogs, if the trait is pronounced, end up with oral problems easily. It is certainly not something one wants to pass on, anymore than droopy eyelids or a lack of pigment. The reason one sees faults "a lot more often" is that people don't know what the breed standard is, and breed for all the wrong traits. If this trait exists in an otherwise excellent dog, that is one thing, but again, one would certainly not try to breed for this characteristic. If you like drooping jowls, get a St. Bernard.

by GSDSRULE on 08 May 2010 - 02:05

Hodie beat me to it. If you like droopy jowls, get a St. Bernard, mastiff, etc.
I think it's ugly on a GSD.

by Penny on 08 May 2010 - 06:05

Also remember that because it is a fault, it does bring other problems. The most annoying one to deal with and very uncomfortable for the dog is that in dry cold or windy weather, they get very sore around the lip area at each corner. Large scabs form, and crust over, and when they drop off or even get rubbed off by the dog, a very raw - susceptible to infection raw red area exists which bleeds readily.. No amount of creaming applied to the affected area will dry this up until the next large scab forms. Been there, worn the tee-shirt, and the poor dog was so miserable with it at its worst

We dont need to do this to our dogs, and the only way to stop it is to stick to the standard and breed it out - and whilst I hear that as a newcomer, you like to look at this particular trait - now that you know the pitfalls, perhaps you will go the other way, and not encourage people to breed such by wanting one.

As others here say, go get a breed that is supposed to be like that, so that its in their breed standard, and not a fault then it shouldnt cause the problem I have described as they slobber !!! keeping the area moist and clean. Yuk. Mo

by hodie on 08 May 2010 - 19:05

Thank you Mo for spelling it out more clearly as to the detrimental effects of drooping jowls. Sometimes I just don't have the patience to do so...... This is exactly why so many who care about the breed get so upset with all the wanna be breeders who don't even have any respect for or knowledge of the breed standard.

by muldoon on 08 May 2010 - 20:05

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by NoCurs on 09 May 2010 - 05:05

The dog is what is called "wet", meaning too much loose skin around the face and neck. A dog like this could also throw pups with drooping eye lids (not good). A shepherd should be "dryer" around the head, meaning tighter skin. As everyone has mentioned, if you like the droopy look, perhaps you should look into breeds in which this is an acceptable trait?

by windwalker18 on 09 May 2010 - 06:05

Can you say Slobber??

Wet in a GSD generally doesn't refer to loose skin around the face, but rather to overall muscle and bone build. A Dry dog appears more athletic and thin, while a wetter dog might appear to be a bit overweight. In general (and yes I know there's LOTS of exceptions) the working lines tend to be a dryer build, while the show lines appear wetter...

"V" Shicco von der Freiheit Westerholt (LOVE this guy)

Diamant aus der Stadt Aldenhoven

Besides being different colors Shicco is a wetter build than Diamant is. Both great looking dogs, but different in body type.

Hanging jowles, droopy eyes etc are faulty in most any herding type dog. They're mostly found in hound group dogs or some sporting dogs who use the folds to gather scent. They also tend to hold and widely distribute slobber. Eye issues often include entropian (inturned eyelids where the lashes irritate the eye) or "cherry eye" where the gland in the corner of they eye is enlarged. Both are faults and can cause discomfort to the dog.

Fortunately these problems aren't common in the GSD... let's NOT breed for them plz!!

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