The Kennel Club "ABS" should carry a Health "WARNING" - Page 2

 Dingodog: It is becoming apparent that you are a member of the ABS - and your ability to sell your puppies through the ABS is at very serious RISK. I am delighted with that prospect.

Please cease making false allegations and assumptions about me from the cowardly position of anonymity. That is very good advice,

And please read and understand my article "link" below - perhaps you already have, and that is why you know it "hits the nails on the head"

 
http://www.videxgsd.com/gsd_is_under_threat.htm

The messages of support for this article are coming in from all over, including many other breeds. So YOU think it's wrong! - NO, you have got it wrong!

David Payne
Following many requests to change the title of this article, and after further consideration of your comments Dingodog, I have now changed the title: It is now:


THE KENNEL CLUB "ABS" IS DISGRACEFUL
IT IS THEIR "ACHILLES HEEL" - NUMEROUS BEST BREEDERS BOYCOTT IT
FIND OUT WHY?
 
 
 
 
 

Videx

This is the problem - what is 'apparent' to you is way off the mark. I don't breed or sell puppies, I own and enjoy my GSDs, and care about the fate of the breed  - that's it. No axe to grind, no reputation to protect, no income to protect unlike your good self.  Oh, and just so you know not an 'alsatianist' either. I am seeing this whole situation from a clean perspective and I support neither one nor the other. Both have good points, neither are completely right IMO.

Your statement that you are 'delighted with the prospect of an accredited breeder being at risk of being unable to sell their puppies'  shows clearly what you are all about - and it isn't the welfare of ANY breed of dog.

I am not anonymous, I have said who I am before on this board, but it means nothing to you since I don't breed or show, but - as you wish - Katrina Doble. Not a coward, not anonymous, not a breeder accredited otherwise, on no side, other than the one that will ultimately be beneficial to the breed, and I've yet to see which that is.

The 'false allegations and assumptions' are born from what you say and do, primarily in your 'articles'. You make these very public, so I think you have to accept that people will, as a result, form opinions about the writer,  the intent, and the accuracy of the claims made in the articles.

Actually, I didn't say it was wrong, I have said that it does need improvement, and I am in total agreement with mandatory health testing, and I think if the right people are working with the KC, it will come. What I think is wrong is you trying to destroy the people who don't agree with you, be it individuals or the KC, and sending the puppy buying public away from people who generally do health test. To me that is blatantly irresponsible, and serves no purpose to you, who wishes to break away from the KC. The only possible reason remaining, is, as I said, trying to break someone elses toys because you lost a fight that you were sure you would win.

The change of title is irrelevant really. I guess the whole thing is irrelevant if I am honest, because I think they're too big, and you're too small to make any difference when it actually comes down to it. Especially as they are putting out rational statements and you (the collective you) are generally comporting yourselves like so many spoilt children.

As I said before, why aren't you channelling your energies into your new future ??  The way it looks right now is that the lunatics have taken over the asylum LOL. That bright new future will never materialise unless you let go of the past and move on.

And you didn't answer the question about removing all the 'titles' and 'accolades' awarded to you by the KC (in particular the best breeder certificate) from your website. Could it be that this is helping YOU to sell puppies?

Dingodog - perhaps you should widen the scope of your reading, the kc's abs is being slated by many breeds and breeders, not just those who prefer the international type of GSD's.  The kc's abs is just another money maker for the kc, they dont care who the money comes from (even from known puppy farmers who the kc push the public towards for their new puppy) as long as it comes rolling in.

PACOBEAR,have to concur with all yu say.dingodong(katrina)now i,ve seen that name somewhere before???not sure if its on PDB or perhaps in a show schedule,but i defo.recognise it from somewhere as i thought it was more in keeping with a dobbie person????doble...have yu recently judged at an open show????wot pacobear says is true.go onto kc puppy site for gsds.DONT KNOW MOST OF ABS BREEDERS ON THERE AND I,VE BEEN IN GSDS FOR OVER 20 YEARS SO SHOULD KNOW MOST OF THE EXHIBITORS AFFIXES/NAMES.as for Mr.Paynes best breeder certificate,this was not a kc award but one acheived i believe at one of our 2 day show events and was awarded by the GSD BREED COUNCIL.tell me if i,m wrong David.Carole S.

Katrina Doble (Dingodog)

You are an Alsatianist SUPPORTER, you have posted numerous times on various BLOGS, including "Times online" - being very critical of our correct international GSD.

You frequently target well know breeders and then goad and needle them, with self righteous diatribe, as above.

What I am ACTUALLY doing is drawing attention to the VERY SERIOUS FLAWS in the Kennel Club "ABS" - The Public can then examine this detail if and when they contact a breeder who in the KC ABS.

You really do insult the intelligence of the general public. So what's new about that?

I have helped you draw attention to yourself, above. ;-)
Of course it also makes other readers NOTE who & what you are.

Regarding the many awards my VIDEX GSD kennel has won, I would point out they were won under the prevailing system that I competed in, and they cannot be "un-won" or "undone" or "canceled". You comment on this is silly, something which applies to many of your comments. noddi - the certificate we won at the Two Day Show 2009 makes it very clear its from "The Kennel Club" - as where my numerous CC's & RCC's - one day I may count them (over 50 I believe) VIDEX GSD is very proud of what we have achieved over the years with our dogs, and now, simply because of age and some health problems, we will not be so competitive in the future. Katrina, if you knew more about us, you would know I don't have any reliance on puppy sales, I could give them away if I chose, as it is I cannot meet demand, and we breed much less now, because of the above reason, and are in a gradual process of reducing our numbers. We will continue to support the GSD League and their GSDL/WUSV Events, as much as we can.

I have certainly NO wish to destroy the KC, I only want them to see the error of their ways, and take corrective action. It's proving more difficult than you can imagine, considering they have got it so wrong about our GSD and their "ABS".

Katrina perhaps you would enjoy telling us more about yourself?

David Payne

Pacobear
My reading scope is actually very wide, and I am aware that most breeders are unhappy with the ABS. As I have reiterated several times in my posts, I AGREE - it is not  effective as it is and needs to be changed. However, it is my belief that it is better than nothing, at the present time. I really don't have a lot of time for the KC, and I think PDE exposed as much about the KC as it did about breeding practices.  As I said, I watch all of this from a clear perspective, having no hidden agenda, nor anything to gain.

Noddi
You may have seen the odd post on here, and as David Payne says, commenting on some of the articles, for example Times Online, usually in response to something which I don't agree with. You certainly will never have seen my name in a show schedule, as I said - I don't breed and I don't compete/show (except in agility).

David Payne
Why do you persist in branding me an alsatianist supporter? I have said time and again that an alsatian does not represent what I consider a GSD to be. You obviously don't believe me - I can't change that.

Targeting well known breeders - ????? Where on earth did that come from? I have never targeted a well known breeder - ever - so please stop talking such nonsense. Self righteous diatribe (I think you should be looking in the mirror for that one). To the best of my knowledge I have always expressed my opinion politely and openly, and usually in response to statements that I don't agree with. You really do seem to have a problem with other people having opinions that don't fall in with yours.
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I have helped you draw attention to yourself  - I really don't get the point of this statement, I don't want or need drawing attention to myself, it isn't about me, it is about the GSD. Who and what I am -really- (not in your version of events) is Joe Public, and a GSD owner, who wants to see a good healthy GSD, and that is my only reason for ever becoming involved. I would like to see a more moderate body shape, biomechanically more functional. I am certainly not alone in that view, with many orthopaedic vets, and scientists holding the same view, that the current fashion for this shape is detrimental to the GSD. / cont

Someone on this board I believe has returned her CC's to the KC. So I guess things can be 'undone', but only if we want them to be.

If you truly do wish the KC simply to see 'the error of their ways' why don't you work with them. I've always understood it is much easier to change things from within.

You have posted numerous times on blogs - as have you, and often I have posted in response to you. Do you consider then that only you have the right to post on blogs?  Yes, I am very critical of what you call the correct GSD. I believe once was on an occasion when in one of your statements you stated that the standard called for a 'curved loin', which it doesn't.  I am critical because I don't see it as being correct, it is overangulated and neither you, nor anyone else can explain what the advantage is in the current  'international' shape. I'm hardly alone in this, and the purpose of asking people to make comments on these blogs is to get a cross section of opinion. You mention my doing this as though it is a dreadful thing for me to do, post a critical comment on a blog - god forbid, I must be an alsatianist!  A cross section of thoughts and opinion is meant to be a good thing and create a balance!  Do I hear you criticise anyone who agreed with you on a blog? That isn't how life works, and if it did, it would be boring and never bring about change.

On another post I asked about the Meyer speech which you were going to publish on your website. I can't find any trace of it. I do like to read broadly, and was very interested to see what Meyer said about unsoundness in the breed, as I am interested in where Germany is taking the breed.

How do I insult the intelligence of the general public?

Tell you more about myself? Well not much to tell, have had GSDs since 1993, I currently own 2 GSDs - one does obedience and one competes in agility. They are what I would class as middle of the road breeding.  I love the breed and have read extensively about it's history. I listen, I watch and I learn from those who know far more than me, and I have had interesting conversations with some people well known in the breed who research pedigrees, when my interest has led me that way. I have even visited your website and learned from some very informative articles. I enjoy my dogs, but despair of the health problems that continue to beset the breed, and want to see a way forward in breeding away from exaggerations,  bottlenecked pedigrees and inherited defects. Would I want to tell you anything else about me or my dogs personally, no I would not, I have seen some of the jaw dropping personal attacks that take place on this board, which I have never seen happen on any other forum. Would I choose to set myself up for that - no . In any case, as I said, it isn't about me, it is about the breed.  I make no apology if that sounds self righteous - it's a fact, pure and simple.