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by diesel on 15 March 2010 - 13:03

Not sure if anyone will know me on here as I don't tend to contribute that often, but just so people know where I'm coming from I'm a VPG/Sch enthusiast who has represented the UK on 7 occasions at both WUSV & FCI World Championships, I'm a "hobby" breeder who has 1 or 2 litters per year (if that) and my ambition is at some point to go as high as is possible with a dog from my own breeding.

Now that's out of the way here's my post; I'd like peoples thoughts on the way that puppies are advertised and the prices people are charging for puppies.

I often see ad's for "world class" and "pure working line" litters etc etc. I even saw on here someone advertising that their puppies when born WILL HAVE "sound temperements...be ideal for work......" now here's my question's how on earth do these people know what their puppies WILL BE before they're even born? How often do we see a "world class" dog emerge from these "world class" litters?

Also the price of puppies, I saw an advert on here for puppies recently at £900 (from parents that as far as I'm aware are not worked publicly for all to see) and another litter for £650, in this case neither parents hold any form of working title yet are advertised as "working pups"!

Is it not time people took a dose of reality and a) stopped overselling in advertising dept (let the parents performance in whatever sphere of activity they do, do the talking) and b) get real over the prices of pups from parentage that proves very little about what the pup will be.

I'm not having a dig at anyone and hope for a reasonalble discussion, thanks.

Tom Nye

by bazza on 15 March 2010 - 14:03

Tom, I couldn't agree more, some are verging on ridiculous. I think though it is a world wide problem, i have seen many over priced puppies on this forum. I know of 1 litter, working lines, that sold for £900 and 1 recently in America that advertised .... pet quality $1000 and $ show prospect $2000. Both parents are untitled in work or show. The sad thing is there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it, and there will always be some unsuspecting novice buyer who will fall for the grossly exaggerated advertising. Some still believing that the overinflated price some how guarantees they have super puppy/dog. I actually feel sorry for any newcomer/novice just trying to find a decent, fair priced puppy without all the spin. I know there are many many breeders out there who do not over advertise or price there puppies but the general public think there is something wrong if a puppy has a lower price tag, the over priced and exaggeratedly advertised puppies get some peoples attention, and the ones doing this know exactly that!! Sadly the saying " a fool and his money" comes to mind.

by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 15 March 2010 - 14:03

Tom I think most of the time the seller doesn't really "believe" so much what they are advertising or even that the potential buyer (if they've done a little research) will even buy into the hype of their wording but merely a way to get as many hits on their ad in hopes it catches enough eyes to sell a pup or 2.

I prefer the straight forward ads. Tell me if it's WL or SL, is it Czech, DDR, West German ect and let me decide if this is a "world class breeding".

As Bazza said on the flip side if you do have a quality litter out of titled dogs and you aren't asking big bucks some buyers read into it too much and think there's something wrong.

I just had my second litter in 3 years and priced my pups very reasonable...$800. Both parents are titled imports, bitch is KKL'd and they both come from very nice pedigrees with well known dogs. I had 9 pups and all of 2 sold before they hit 6 weeks old. Out of the 7 pups sold so far that will be ready to goto their new homes this weekend, 6 went to working homes. For me it's worth it to charge a little less and have them goto people that will work them and enjoy them. Are they going to be superstars??? Who knows?? That will be up to their owners to decide. But will the $2000 pup from someone else be a superstar??? His chances are as good as my $800 pup. JM .02!

by Jenni78 on 15 March 2010 - 14:03

Didn't we address this a few weeks ago? And then a year or so before that? I thought this is why I worded my last ad the way I did.

Nothing will change- those who know, know to avoid people like that, and those who don't.....a fool and his money..........

by bazza on 15 March 2010 - 15:03

AGAR, so true and i agree especially with your very last two sentences, i only wish the majority of breeders were more like you.
JENNI, what can i say your last advert was brilliant, but going by the youngsters i saw from your females last litter nothing could be further from the truth. By the way any updates on those babies, especially the sable female that went to someone on the board here?? Your last comment is so true, sadly.

by DuvalGSD on 15 March 2010 - 16:03

If they had paper on the Championchips and Royalties of the parents and the pups were is great shpae I'd pay 2k for a dog but some people just jake the price up do the type of dog they have........................

by charlie319 on 15 March 2010 - 16:03

My suspicion is that some of these "high-ballers" sell a few of their pups at the exorbitant prices they ask. Mostly those that are "reserved" and end up with some tough choices in having to keep the pup and develop them to sell as trained dogs or breeding prospects, or to sell them at a lower price and avoid taking a loss on the litter. IMPO, a $2K pup is not a winning proposition for the average dog-owner, since there is a lot that can go wrong, and in the wrong handssuch a dog could suffer from "the midas touch" and become a muffler just like any dog with some drive can be coaxed to perform brilliantly by a gifted trainer. Another part of the problem is that many status conscious people buy dogs by pedigree without realizing what they are buying, and are gullible enough to pay top dollar for the "brand" (insert your favorite over-hyped sire here) in the pedigree, but that could easily be a whole new thread altogether.

If and when I do breed a litter, in a few years, I will try to have the pups already placed before whelping. I wouldn't be above giving a discount to the right situation.

by GSDXephyr on 15 March 2010 - 17:03

Sadly, people are paying upwards of $1200 for puppy mill bred pups in the pet store, where you can't even prove that they AKC papers are trustworthy.

by Jenni78 on 15 March 2010 - 17:03

Bazza, I don't want to hijack this thread talking about my pups, so PM me please;-)

Or post a public message to Chausser, who has Aria, the dark sable girl. They are all doing well, I can say that much;-) There are 2 on this board- Aria and Apache.

by Jonah1 on 15 March 2010 - 19:03

Ya all know ya can av a WORLD CLASS BRED litter ( showin o workin ) but if ya sell a pup ta a shite home an bad handler na matter ow good tha dog is it aint goin na where , an then ya get gooduns tha get wrecked wi bad handlin !.

I wuld pay darn good money for a good pup if it wer good breedin an health tested na prob !.

Why in blazes shuld good pups be sold fer tha same price as tha shite breedin wi all tha colors o tha rainbow an real bad lines ?.

I looked at som pups las week an I wuld av ad one darn fast if I wer wantin a pup right now an they wer £1,000. -------- real clean kept, good weight on em, good grub an great characters aye, I near convinced maself I needed another dog but the missus squared me up real fast DUH !.

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