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by Penny on 04 February 2010 - 22:02
I have received this email tonight and attached with it a copy of a letter from the KC sent to the British Seiger committee. I think BAGSD havent had one, because I havent heard from anyone to that effect........
The email I received says......................
The Kennel Clubs (KC) diabolical behaviour towards the German Shepherd Dog (GSD) fraternity continues unabated. The following letter from the Kennel Club was sent out last week to the British Sieger committee. It clearly illustrates their intentions.
It also appears likely there has been some “dialogue” between the Kennel Club and a National GSD club that appears hell bent on signing their undertaking.
I leave you all to make up your own minds and to consider your own reactions.
The letter referred to is on the next post, sit down before you read it........ Mo
by Penny on 04 February 2010 - 22:02
Re British Sieger Special Event 2010
At its last meeting the Committee considered the application to schedule the British Sieger Special Event for this year.
The Committee confirmed that this event should continue to receive Kennel Club Support with the condition that the team organising the event must be led by clubs which have signed and returned the recently issued Undertaking relating to the allocation of Championship Status 2012 and beyond. The Working Group is also reminded of the conditions attached to the Kennel Club's support of this event as notified in previous correspondence.
I wish you well with the organisation of this competition and if I can be of any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me.
Yours sincerely
At its last meeting the Committee considered the application to schedule the British Sieger Special Event for this year.
The Committee confirmed that this event should continue to receive Kennel Club Support with the condition that the team organising the event must be led by clubs which have signed and returned the recently issued Undertaking relating to the allocation of Championship Status 2012 and beyond. The Working Group is also reminded of the conditions attached to the Kennel Club's support of this event as notified in previous correspondence.
I wish you well with the organisation of this competition and if I can be of any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me.
Yours sincerely
by Skippy on 04 February 2010 - 22:02
Well well now the true colours are being sent up the pole,all the prevaricating over the last year with the GSDPartnership just a complete waste of time and effort.
We should just use the KC for registrations full stop.
Gradings are more valuable than red cards and CC;s let the alsations(KC spelling!!) have the tickets on their one way to oblivion.
by jaymesie51 on 04 February 2010 - 22:02
So lets say that the BAGSD sign this undertaking letter from the KC and hold the event does that mean that double handling is still allowed at this show seems a bit daft to me as the undertaking will not allow double handling of any kind more double standards from the mighty do as i say KC me-thinks But if we all dont sign this daft undertaking letter we will have a proper seiger with a bigger than average entry with a happy friendly atmosphere and whats more we will be putting our breed first for me not signing is a win win situation so here is hoping that for once our breed can agree on something
jim h
jim h
by Alyson R on 04 February 2010 - 22:02
I would love to know how the KC are going to handle the GSA - they are holding the Irish Sieger in Belfast.
Belfast as everyone knows is in Northern Ireland - which comes under the jurisdiction of the Kennel Club.
The GSA is not affiliated to any National Kennel Club and therefore has no restrictions placed on them.
Belfast as everyone knows is in Northern Ireland - which comes under the jurisdiction of the Kennel Club.
The GSA is not affiliated to any National Kennel Club and therefore has no restrictions placed on them.
by Skippy on 04 February 2010 - 22:02
I hope the club "hell bent on signing" the KC undertaking is NOT BAGSD!!!!!!!!
by Penny on 04 February 2010 - 22:02
Well - Well - Well. What were we saying on the other thread debate about Grace and Favour ???? What can be given can be taken away" or it can be given to people who tow the line, that is the K.C. line. Sign our Letter or you wont get any British Seiger.
Well - Well - Well. I refer back to others on the BAGSD democracy thread that have said the same as myself....... this is just the tip of the iceberg. Some-one has obviously had to request a British Seiger - as Sue says in January , so as not to make it an event that isnt rushed.... and the KC have thought up another little trick to get their letter signed.
Why? Because the British Seiger is part of their domain, and its been allowed to be part of their domain, purely by going cap in hand and asking for the event pretty please.
Doesnt matter does it, because within the next couple of years, there will either be a British KC Seiger - that no -one with a self respecting health checked dog will want to take part in, or no Seiger at all.
Even that doesnt matter Doesnt matter does it, because forward thinking caring GSD folk have got it sorted. Imagine, ......
...
British Seiger - Regional events leading up to it, so that it really means something...... Held under sensible rules, with only health checked and identifiable animals entered in the adult classes - what a dream
The KC must be thinking well forward, .......................because they expect usually that the committee of the British Seiger come from the League and BAGSD.
The League are only waiting for their vote to come in, and have said what they feel, leaving the ultimate decision to the members
BAGSD on the other hand have not even let us know - after several communications whether it is one vote one member or a whole pile added together to give a jaundice view. - but methinks that the KC feel it is a foregone conclusion. Did the KC reckon on some BAGSD people being so passionate about fair play that they are seeing this through in the right manner? I think not.
The KC can piffle about with the existing British Seiger, but they wont piffle about with the real one or the regional shows leading up to it.
When we aare asked to enter the British KC Seiger will we want to, or will it become the Alsation Seiger. - there`s food for thought.
Mo.
Well - Well - Well. I refer back to others on the BAGSD democracy thread that have said the same as myself....... this is just the tip of the iceberg. Some-one has obviously had to request a British Seiger - as Sue says in January , so as not to make it an event that isnt rushed.... and the KC have thought up another little trick to get their letter signed.
Why? Because the British Seiger is part of their domain, and its been allowed to be part of their domain, purely by going cap in hand and asking for the event pretty please.
Doesnt matter does it, because within the next couple of years, there will either be a British KC Seiger - that no -one with a self respecting health checked dog will want to take part in, or no Seiger at all.
Even that doesnt matter Doesnt matter does it, because forward thinking caring GSD folk have got it sorted. Imagine, ......
...
British Seiger - Regional events leading up to it, so that it really means something...... Held under sensible rules, with only health checked and identifiable animals entered in the adult classes - what a dream
The KC must be thinking well forward, .......................because they expect usually that the committee of the British Seiger come from the League and BAGSD.
The League are only waiting for their vote to come in, and have said what they feel, leaving the ultimate decision to the members
BAGSD on the other hand have not even let us know - after several communications whether it is one vote one member or a whole pile added together to give a jaundice view. - but methinks that the KC feel it is a foregone conclusion. Did the KC reckon on some BAGSD people being so passionate about fair play that they are seeing this through in the right manner? I think not.
The KC can piffle about with the existing British Seiger, but they wont piffle about with the real one or the regional shows leading up to it.
When we aare asked to enter the British KC Seiger will we want to, or will it become the Alsation Seiger. - there`s food for thought.
Mo.
by arbeiter on 05 February 2010 - 00:02
Penny.
Do we have to hold a Sieger with the kc. Surely they don't hold the rights on the word British,in any case we could call the show by any other name-what about KC FREE !
It has been mentioned many time on here before the kc are only a club, they are not the law of the land-WE DO NOT
NEED THEM !
Do we have to hold a Sieger with the kc. Surely they don't hold the rights on the word British,in any case we could call the show by any other name-what about KC FREE !
It has been mentioned many time on here before the kc are only a club, they are not the law of the land-WE DO NOT
NEED THEM !
by missbeeb on 05 February 2010 - 09:02
I find the KC's attitude, amazingly dim... did they really think this would make us "behave" as they wish? Anyone with any little niggling doubts, will now see what an outdated, close minded, bigoted dinosaur this "old boys Club " is! I'm glad they've done this, ultimately, it works in our favour!
by Penny on 05 February 2010 - 11:02
To Arbeiter
My sentiments exactly - you put it with less waffle.
There will be a Seiger in the UK - doesnt sound like there will be much of a British Seiger any further, as its already de-funkt ...... Pressurised into submission by Yes-Men and the KC. I have to give the KC credit for one thing - they didnt wait long before they started the thumb screw tactics and tightening belts on the Yes-Men did they? I thought they would wait until it was all signed on the dotted line - however, they must be worried that it isnt going to be signed on the dotted line, so in their thinking, more Carrots for weak people that are gullible..... you have to sign to run your British Seiger. In which case you dummies that have caused this its THEIR event another K.C. Rule? One not on the letter? Didnt most of us on the other thread say that Rules would be added to suit - didnt think it would start happening before the 31st March though. Perhaps they have heard that the BAGSD guarantee of a signature is not "done and dusted" and a foregone conclusion.
To MissBeeb, You are right, its in our favour, they have closed the door havent they - and they have also told us that we need to be aware of people that are turning the key without having the guts to say so.
Its short-sighted to say the least, unless the KC really do believe their ego. We can now go ahead without worrying - to have a UK Seiger. Week-end event, no field officer, WUSV/SV rules, Barbie in the evening - akin to the 2 day event - all the trimmings of like minded people enjoying a healthy correct GSD - A proper Seiger,an international event, where our colleagues on the continent will feel its worthy to come and join us - SV/WUSV and if we want to (although I doubt it) we can still attend the "British Seiger" in its form that the KC will allow it - which eventually will be like a Ch KC show. Well done whatever prat has given them the feeling that that this would stop us in our tracks...... the SV/WUSV will be very proud of you.
Any-one in this country that has a dog with qualifications, hip status, and mandatory health checks in place needs a pat on the back because its all without the help and assistance and creedence they get from the KC - so lets start looking after ourselves, and leave the "Old Boys Club" to their pint and pie. Its now really going to be an exciting future. Mo.
My sentiments exactly - you put it with less waffle.
There will be a Seiger in the UK - doesnt sound like there will be much of a British Seiger any further, as its already de-funkt ...... Pressurised into submission by Yes-Men and the KC. I have to give the KC credit for one thing - they didnt wait long before they started the thumb screw tactics and tightening belts on the Yes-Men did they? I thought they would wait until it was all signed on the dotted line - however, they must be worried that it isnt going to be signed on the dotted line, so in their thinking, more Carrots for weak people that are gullible..... you have to sign to run your British Seiger. In which case you dummies that have caused this its THEIR event another K.C. Rule? One not on the letter? Didnt most of us on the other thread say that Rules would be added to suit - didnt think it would start happening before the 31st March though. Perhaps they have heard that the BAGSD guarantee of a signature is not "done and dusted" and a foregone conclusion.
To MissBeeb, You are right, its in our favour, they have closed the door havent they - and they have also told us that we need to be aware of people that are turning the key without having the guts to say so.
Its short-sighted to say the least, unless the KC really do believe their ego. We can now go ahead without worrying - to have a UK Seiger. Week-end event, no field officer, WUSV/SV rules, Barbie in the evening - akin to the 2 day event - all the trimmings of like minded people enjoying a healthy correct GSD - A proper Seiger,an international event, where our colleagues on the continent will feel its worthy to come and join us - SV/WUSV and if we want to (although I doubt it) we can still attend the "British Seiger" in its form that the KC will allow it - which eventually will be like a Ch KC show. Well done whatever prat has given them the feeling that that this would stop us in our tracks...... the SV/WUSV will be very proud of you.
Any-one in this country that has a dog with qualifications, hip status, and mandatory health checks in place needs a pat on the back because its all without the help and assistance and creedence they get from the KC - so lets start looking after ourselves, and leave the "Old Boys Club" to their pint and pie. Its now really going to be an exciting future. Mo.
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