Long Down at a Trial Competition

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by Pat Relton on 10 November 2009 - 22:11

just exaclty who decides were the dog should be for the long down?
is there a rule that the dog face the sendout or must face the starting line? I am trying to practice this for a BH.

by steve1 on 10 November 2009 - 22:11

Over here normally the Dog is downed on the far left of the work field and on the far side of the field the handler then goes behind the 5th Blind. When the other competitor is going to do his send away the handler of the dog in a down is then goes to his dog and moves up so he does not have any chance of interfering with the Dog working
The Dog in a down is facing away from the start he is not downed so he is looking directly at the other dog working
Steve1

by happyday on 13 November 2009 - 12:11

Pat - the area that is assigned for the long down is on the edge of the field--that is the only thing you can be sure of - if you are going to be at your home field for bh - usually it is in the same place as the trial before (speculative) - if you are new- ask a club member - but if you are traveling away from your home field for your bh - I suggest - practice the long down in several locations on your field - just to make the dog comfortable downing anywhere.. Prepare your dog for all situations - so if you are unsure - practice long downing everywhere on the field... MIght even be wise to down your down on the side that spectators will be - when you are on the opposite side of the field away from spectators -not so much distraction - but a unexpected long down on the side with the spectators - might be trouble if your dog isn't use to that situation....

Steve1 - In Alabama - lol - the BH routine - long down - you don't have to go behind the blind - it is 30 paces from the dog at around the 5th blind - you don't even have to turn your back on your dog.

As far as which way the dog faces - he faces you in his long down - but if your dog decides to face the dog doing the routine - no biggy - just don't get up and don't take off running...lol

Good Luck.

Happyday

by steve1 on 13 November 2009 - 13:11

Happyday
Over here you do you are not in sight of the Dog at all on the Long Down
They turn the 5th Blind at an angle so you cannot see your dog,
When we are training a Dog for the long down we start by standing next to it on a line as he gets better we move away until we too are at the 30 paces mark off line.
But in a Trial or competition you go out of sight of your dog, Also on the traffic part of the BH we have to walk away and go out of sight of the Dog completly for a few minutes or so
Steve1

by snajper69 on 13 November 2009 - 14:11

When I train my dog I always go out of sight hide behind the blind, and start by peaking every now and than till the dog get's it than I go out of sight completely.

by sueincc on 13 November 2009 - 15:11

Actually according to the rules, it's only in the schHIII that the handler is required to go behind the blind, in the BH, schH1 & 2, the handler is only required to stand 30 paces from the dog with his/her back turned. Most train for the inevitable and go behind the blind, but it's not required until schH3.

by happyday on 13 November 2009 - 15:11

Exactly Sueincc- not required...I will agree it is good to practicing the out of sight with the dog - but we are talking bh in USA - right? And during a trial...... The traffic part - the dog is tide up and isn't in a long down when you go out of sight. It is to see if the dog is neutral to people and other dogs... Not exactly same comparison as the long down out on the field...

by steve1 on 13 November 2009 - 16:11

When Goran did his BH my brother went behind the Blind, When he did the Traffic bit the dog was tied up and he disappeared from the dogs view for several minutes,
Mind you this is in another country to the USA, However i have seen at trials where the handler in a BH has not gone behind the Blind i think it is a Judges thing, Personally i do not think it makes any difference if you have trained the dog well enough, I guess it is preferance of the handler
Our hides at out club are Wood and stay there, We have a peep hole drilled in at eye level so we can see the Dog on the Down and see if he moves
Steve1

by Bob McKown on 13 November 2009 - 16:11

I hide from the get go after i,m able to walk away from the dog, I also introduce gunshots at a young age even before the Bh, And as pupps I use bambo sticks when playing with them as puppies to help build contact reaction right off the bat little pokes and slaps while playing I,ve never had a dog care if he gets hard stick hits or not it,s all in the game.

by sueincc on 13 November 2009 - 23:11

The international trial rules (IPO) and VDH rules are basically the same on this particular point, BH, 1, & 2, handler is in sight with back turned on long down; handler is out of sight for 3s. I also train for the inevitable though.

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