Female mated by two males - Page 1

Hello PanAmerican breeder.This is obvious not a good practice. Breeding is an art for improving our dogs.The first steps are to have knowledge of what you are doing with our GSD breed. If not you better breed chickens. Hope you understand what I mean. Best regards.

I guess you don't trust the DNA testing ? ? ? : )

Soli, in many instances, it's probably a very good idea. For example you could use an older dog with low quality sperm that might not produce a puppy or might only produce one or two if he were the only sire. This gives the owner of the female the opportunity to use another dog at the same season and not miss a breeding. When there is a dual sired litter, all resulting puppies must be DNA identified and the litter registered accordingly. Why do you think that would not "improve" the breed? I guess I don't know what you mean.

Mutiple sire's are no big deal with DNA testing. I had a female that I thought was difficult to bred. After several missed attempts, I used 2 different males (8yr old proven and a 2yr old never bred) and finally had a litter. Turned out that the older male I had previously used was at fault and not the female. DNA proved the litter to all be from the younger male.

Is there some kind of official procedure accepted ? Are there are specialized German shepherds Clubs in the world who accept this "interesting system" so I can breed with two or three males at a time and after do DNA to identify the fathers? Please can we receive information. This kind of breeding can bring in the future confusion in many Clubs for an effective follow up of the real ancestors if it is not well managed... I can imagine many problems. Thank you Jeff and Blitzen for your comments.

It probably depends on where you live, but the link to the AKC website explains DNA and mutiple sires pretty good. http://www.akc.org/dna/multisire.cfm Different countries probably have different rules.

It is an interesting (possible) solution to a really good brood bitches last litter, or a way of keeping the number of litters down. Since the registries make money off the pups, I am sure they would not go for it wholeheartedly.

interesting is it ever known to happen that pups from one litter have different sires after dna testing??

Yes, I know of several litters that were the result of 2 different sires.

Someone very close to me had an awesome female that had never been bred inspite of multiple attempts from some well known breeders. Reportedly she just simply wasn't viable, and unbeknownst to them, was the reason the dog was sold to them. It turns out that the bitch had always been terribly dominant of all the males she had been bred to, and simply wouldn't let a tie take place. Great temper and nerves, tons of drive, but no one was successful. The attempt was made to breed her to an Asko Von Der Lutter grandson / Stormfront Son. Another attempt was made to breed her, and the same problem was observed, with viability testing and the like. The dog tried to mount her, she simply wouldn't stand for him though all indications were that she was ready. Chances are that when she was viable she simply wouldn't stand for the male. Through a lot of effort on the part of the male's owner, he tried to do all he could. At some point it was determined that this male may have simply been too large for her, and while we hoped that this SchH3/FH/SG1/KKl1 male to tie, we couldn't be sure. Enter the second dog. Finally, through a lot of innovation, effort and the second dog (a beautiful, very hard male), ties were obtained. So...though multiple previous attempts were done and failed, for the first time in this dog's life she may end up having a litter. Can't think of a better reason to use multiple dogs and DNA type them as required. The bitch is simply sensational, and both dogs are extremely respectable if not very accomplished males.