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by vonissk on 08 November 2012 - 21:11
by Blitzen on 08 November 2012 - 22:11
by Blitzen on 08 November 2012 - 22:11
My impression is that the main concern about seeing more dead tails is that spondylosis may be sneaking back into the breed after it was thought to be almost bred out or that it may indicate DM in the dog's future. If it truly is the result of fixing tails, then I would think it would be less of a concern.
by vonissk on 08 November 2012 - 22:11
by Hundmutter on 08 November 2012 - 23:11
a bit of variety anyway (must check how that translates in German !)
I really hope dead tail doesn't indicate anything medical - one of the
things I was trying to get across are there are a lot of tails which do
this, I don't think messing about with them is all that common [don't
really see why it would happen widely in the States or Germany, but
not the UK] and I really find it difficult to envisage most British vets going
with it. On (ok, limited) experience of a dog who appeared to have a
dead tail when gaiting but so obviously had nothing wrong with it or
any alteration to it in daily life, (nor any spinal trouble, she went off her
back legs a little bit right at the end but with a hip score of 60 I'd expect
the arthritis that led to that ) I had hoped this was more 'urban myth'
than anything ?
by Rik on 09 November 2012 - 01:11
by Dawulf on 09 November 2012 - 01:11
" dawulf, i agree with you on the in/line breeding. But I do feel that there is a little more that can be told about the German dogs besides hip/elbow scores. One is that generation after generation had a full mouth, one dog here is well known for missing teeth.
another is that off leash, the german dogs were willing to go away from the handler/owner and engage a helper. even if they only did it for play time, they at least did it. most ASL will end up in another zip code if taken off leash and faced with a stranger waving a stick and making noise. the same for gun shots. if the German dogs were shown in sieger, they had to do this in public, with video or first hand observaitons available and each person can decide if it is acceptable or not. "
My bad, Rik... that last post I had made was rushed (was getting ready to leave for work)... I thought I had mentioned the SchH titles and such in there, but must've forgot.
What a shame that the ASL breeders are covering it all up... when lines like these (I thought anyway) are sought after. I am also learning a lot from this thread.
by Blitzen on 09 November 2012 - 13:11
by jade on 15 November 2012 - 21:11
by SitasMom on 15 November 2012 - 22:11
the 2 inner toes on each hind foot are the load bearing toes, (like our bigtoe) and take up the vast majority of the weight - i asked a couple of dog physical therapists.
the line drawn from the top, thru the knee, hocks and center of the load bearing toe is structurally correct.
wanted to make sure before replying.
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