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by Hundmutter on 28 October 2012 - 21:10
Yes thanks Abby - was aware of the quote, could be a useful inclusion !
Now if I can only get my printer working, and the power actually stays on in
my flat ...
They are retiling the roof; every time they plug in their angle-grinder to cut
tiles to shape, they trip out my fuse box ... ggrrrr.
Now if I can only get my printer working, and the power actually stays on in
my flat ...
They are retiling the roof; every time they plug in their angle-grinder to cut
tiles to shape, they trip out my fuse box ... ggrrrr.
by Abby Normal on 28 October 2012 - 23:10
Oh dear.....that must be driving you crazy!
by Hundmutter on 29 October 2012 - 08:10
Yup !!! 
Why did both things have to go at once ? If I have no electric,
I can't fiddle with this damn printer ... it keeps on 'paper jamming' even tho'
I swear I've cleaned all the bits out.
Why did both things have to go at once ? If I have no electric,I can't fiddle with this damn printer ... it keeps on 'paper jamming' even tho'
I swear I've cleaned all the bits out.
by GSD John on 29 October 2012 - 09:10
When looking through the posts, a wee reminder to the owners of the two dogs suffering from Epilepsy and EPI that verification of their pets diagnosis and pedigree could be sent to Chris Hazel (GSD Breed Health- Co-ordinator) to keep a record of those lines producing health problems.
So sorry to hear about more dogs and owners having to go through these awful problems, do hope that these dogs respond well to treatment.
Margaret
So sorry to hear about more dogs and owners having to go through these awful problems, do hope that these dogs respond well to treatment.
Margaret
by shaz4 on 30 October 2012 - 19:10
Hi Everyone I'm Bella
I got sent a link to this discussion as I've had bad dealing with this breeder "Kintonkaiz" (Carole Brooks) - so I thought I join - as she shouldn't be allowed to get away with public threats!
I knew she was a nasty piece of work to other people and the way she treats her her dogs. But to actually threaten someone physically in writing? she usually hides behind people - oh but she has, as she has logged on as the owner of the two dogs, she bred. (maybe Abby should give a description of the lady she was talking to, as it may well of been Carole herself? was she blonde with a baseball cap on?) I can tell its her writing in the way she writes as her mannerisms come out in the text and when she doesn't like what someone says about her the threat of a solicitor always comes out -
If this continues I will consider taking legal advice as all your comments in the direction of the breeder are being made up in your sad little heads.
But I was more surprised to see what else she had actually wrote and that it could be construed as a physical threat to "Abby"
I do hope I bump into you again in the park as you need to be taken down a peg or two. May be she should be reported to the police for making a threat?
I'm not convinced on her story that parts of her pedigrees are blank due to others falsifying pedigrees? My guess is they are missing so other breeders can't see the true lines and realise that it couldn't possiblybe that sire or dam, due to who carries what.
A white dog, even masking blue, would not keep blue eyes, yes they are born blue, but gradually turn to a light amber, so my guess is some other breed has been mixed in there? such as a siberian as they have blue eyes..
Not in if for the money - then why is she charging £900 each for these "Chocolate" liver puppies that are actually classed as a fault not rare, so they shouldn't they actually be sold cheaper? But then she's trying to fool the pet buyers. And she certainly has a lot of litters a year for someone not out to make money - at the same time as the advert for the livers, which was conviniently advertised at another address, wasn't it Coventry? she also had two blue litters one aged 15 weeks and one 8 weeks, which wouldn't be so bad if what money she made on the dogs was put back into the dogs, but its not, have you seen the group on face book trying to get her shut down as a breeder as not only was one of her dogs that was rehomed a bag of bones it also tell of her getting one of her neighbours to shoot one of her dogs who she refused to take to a vet? Mmm doesn't really keep in with the quote -
The breeder is a caring conscientious person who breeds for the love of the dogs and not to make massive profit.
Bella
I got sent a link to this discussion as I've had bad dealing with this breeder "Kintonkaiz" (Carole Brooks) - so I thought I join - as she shouldn't be allowed to get away with public threats!
I knew she was a nasty piece of work to other people and the way she treats her her dogs. But to actually threaten someone physically in writing? she usually hides behind people - oh but she has, as she has logged on as the owner of the two dogs, she bred. (maybe Abby should give a description of the lady she was talking to, as it may well of been Carole herself? was she blonde with a baseball cap on?) I can tell its her writing in the way she writes as her mannerisms come out in the text and when she doesn't like what someone says about her the threat of a solicitor always comes out -
If this continues I will consider taking legal advice as all your comments in the direction of the breeder are being made up in your sad little heads.
But I was more surprised to see what else she had actually wrote and that it could be construed as a physical threat to "Abby"
I do hope I bump into you again in the park as you need to be taken down a peg or two. May be she should be reported to the police for making a threat?
I'm not convinced on her story that parts of her pedigrees are blank due to others falsifying pedigrees? My guess is they are missing so other breeders can't see the true lines and realise that it couldn't possiblybe that sire or dam, due to who carries what.
A white dog, even masking blue, would not keep blue eyes, yes they are born blue, but gradually turn to a light amber, so my guess is some other breed has been mixed in there? such as a siberian as they have blue eyes..
Not in if for the money - then why is she charging £900 each for these "Chocolate" liver puppies that are actually classed as a fault not rare, so they shouldn't they actually be sold cheaper? But then she's trying to fool the pet buyers. And she certainly has a lot of litters a year for someone not out to make money - at the same time as the advert for the livers, which was conviniently advertised at another address, wasn't it Coventry? she also had two blue litters one aged 15 weeks and one 8 weeks, which wouldn't be so bad if what money she made on the dogs was put back into the dogs, but its not, have you seen the group on face book trying to get her shut down as a breeder as not only was one of her dogs that was rehomed a bag of bones it also tell of her getting one of her neighbours to shoot one of her dogs who she refused to take to a vet? Mmm doesn't really keep in with the quote -
The breeder is a caring conscientious person who breeds for the love of the dogs and not to make massive profit.
Bella
by shaz4 on 30 October 2012 - 20:10
I'm sorry but I can not understand how anyone can link a bad temperament to the "colour" white, as its not a colour! white is actually a masking gene so can be for example a black and gold but masked by white yet no one say the black ang golds have iffy temperament? Temperaments have nothing to do with be masked by the whie gene, it still boils down to the breeding or the raising not being white.
Bella.
Bella.
by Hundmutter on 30 October 2012 - 21:10
Hello Shaz4 and thanks for joining in. What you've said confirms a lot that
I'd heard about Carole Brooks. You know, I get daily more mystified by
the Kennel Clubs attitudes to this "health-careless, coats'n'colours for maximum
profits" sector of GSD breeders; surely they must be aware of the Facebook
campaign you mentioned ? Have the KC not thought they should look into
this stuff, at least now so much about health testing is on the general agenda ?
[Ms Kisko, and Ms MacNamara, are you following this debate ???]
The good news folks is that I THINK i've cleared my printer/scanner, it seems
to be working again; so (if the power stays on long enough) I should be able
to get the letter to Steve Dean finished soon ...
I'd heard about Carole Brooks. You know, I get daily more mystified by
the Kennel Clubs attitudes to this "health-careless, coats'n'colours for maximum
profits" sector of GSD breeders; surely they must be aware of the Facebook
campaign you mentioned ? Have the KC not thought they should look into
this stuff, at least now so much about health testing is on the general agenda ?
[Ms Kisko, and Ms MacNamara, are you following this debate ???]
The good news folks is that I THINK i've cleared my printer/scanner, it seems
to be working again; so (if the power stays on long enough) I should be able
to get the letter to Steve Dean finished soon ...
by Abby Normal on 30 October 2012 - 23:10
Hello Bella
Welcome to the discussion
No, it wasn't Carol Brookes I was talking to. What I do think is that Carole Brookes was feeding the owner of the two dogs the lines which were just being repeated here, she was just giving her the bullets to fire, so they were certainly 'her words' and I have no doubt the owner believed them to be true. Shame she hasn't got the b***ls to visit the thread herself. But too many awkward questions. Sadly like so many others, she has been fed a lot of untruths. Wonder when she will ask to use either of them at stud?
The owners got cross with me for involving them in the conversation, I think their anger and threat was a knee jerk reaction, and probably understandable (well I wouldn't have actually threatened someone, but I would have been cross). I've never seen them before, but don't go there often, but we will see what transpires if I meet them again. I would actually like to have the chance to tell them a bit more, now this is all out in the open.
She moved to Coventry, that is her new location.....
The breeder is a caring conscientious person who breeds for the love of the dogs and not to make massive profit.
Hmmm, yes check out the all those older dogs she sells off on the free ads too, she sure loved those dogs., one of which was a blue eyed white bitch. The internet retains information forever.....
I must admit that I found the blue eyed white an oddity, as blue dogs end up with amber/yellow eyes. I have never come across a blue eyed white GSD either. Can't say it can't happen. Anyone else ever known a white GSD with blue eyes? Some of the pandas have blue eyes I know.
3 litters on the go at once - that's got to be more pups in one go than dogs she's ever had hip scored the whole time she's been breeding
by Hundmutter on 31 October 2012 - 08:10
abby, maybe CB was writing the posts under hisblue's username? So you
met the real couple behind the story of the two brothers, she mentioned it
to CB, or CB (or one of her coven) looked on here and saw your topic for
herself, and replied AS hisblue - maybe hisblue doesn't actually know a
thing about it ?!?! Go carefully in the Park !
LOVED your last point about hip scoring numbers v. puppies, BTW !!
met the real couple behind the story of the two brothers, she mentioned it
to CB, or CB (or one of her coven) looked on here and saw your topic for
herself, and replied AS hisblue - maybe hisblue doesn't actually know a
thing about it ?!?! Go carefully in the Park !
LOVED your last point about hip scoring numbers v. puppies, BTW !!
by Abby Normal on 31 October 2012 - 09:10
Hundmutter, I never thought of that, but I think bearing in mind they mentioned that I had stroked their boy etc, I think it was posted by them. I think she contacted them and got them fired them up about it though. Although...thinking about it, when she contacted them about it they may just have described to her what happened and then she came on and posted as them - very, very possible. Especially as Bella recognises the language and mannerisms. They were suspect breeder words - witch hunt, jealousy, sad people etc, the same old, same old. The username is interesting too now I am thinking along those lines..'his' rather than 'my' or 'our', like a third party, unless maybe they each have 'their' dog. Certainly was a nasty post, be interesting to meet them again. Good point. Never occured to me.
I have a suggestion for this breeder and the others of the same 'type':
1) Put every dog's pedigree name as well as pet name with a link to the pedigree (complete)
2) Show the dog's hip and elbow score beside each dog. Hip score is bare minimum - absolutely the bare minimum, with a passing grade as recommended by the KC and BVA. If they don't have a passing grade they shouldn't be bred from.
3) For every litter list who sire & dam of that litter are.
This is what reputable breeders do. It is honest and transparent, and really is the minimum information that should be made available to the public. It shows the lines you are using and the proven health tests of your breeding stock and the hip status of the ancestors in the pedigree can be researched. It's simple enough to add this to your website. As it is, I see only one current dog showing a hip score, and no pedigree names, so the dogs are effectively 'hidden' from scrutiny.
HIP SCORING INFORMATION RE THE GSD BREED FROM THE BRITISH VETERINARY ASSOC: Ensure that all potential parents (both sires anddams ) are hip scored ■■ Evaluate the hip scores of parents, grandparents, Siblings and previous offspring whenever possible ■■ Consider the score of the worse hip (on a perfectly symmetrical radiograph) to be more representative of the dog’s hip status ■■ Compare the dog’s total score with the breedmedian score (and compare the score of the worseof the two hips with half of this value) in order toassess the dog relative to others in the breed ■■ Take the dog’s age at radiography into account ■■ Examine particularly the scores for the first threeparameters (Norberg angle, subluxation, cranial acetabular edge), as they describe any underlying hip dysplasia and are usually predictive of subsequent osteoarthritis ■■ Do not breed from any dog that shows evidence ofosteoarthritis (scores in parameters lower down in the scoring grid) ■■ Breed only from dogs with low hip scores for the breed – certainly less than the breed median score
I look forward to seeing the updated website.
I have a suggestion for this breeder and the others of the same 'type':
1) Put every dog's pedigree name as well as pet name with a link to the pedigree (complete)
2) Show the dog's hip and elbow score beside each dog. Hip score is bare minimum - absolutely the bare minimum, with a passing grade as recommended by the KC and BVA. If they don't have a passing grade they shouldn't be bred from.
3) For every litter list who sire & dam of that litter are.
This is what reputable breeders do. It is honest and transparent, and really is the minimum information that should be made available to the public. It shows the lines you are using and the proven health tests of your breeding stock and the hip status of the ancestors in the pedigree can be researched. It's simple enough to add this to your website. As it is, I see only one current dog showing a hip score, and no pedigree names, so the dogs are effectively 'hidden' from scrutiny.
HIP SCORING INFORMATION RE THE GSD BREED FROM THE BRITISH VETERINARY ASSOC: Ensure that all potential parents (both sires anddams ) are hip scored ■■ Evaluate the hip scores of parents, grandparents, Siblings and previous offspring whenever possible ■■ Consider the score of the worse hip (on a perfectly symmetrical radiograph) to be more representative of the dog’s hip status ■■ Compare the dog’s total score with the breedmedian score (and compare the score of the worseof the two hips with half of this value) in order toassess the dog relative to others in the breed ■■ Take the dog’s age at radiography into account ■■ Examine particularly the scores for the first threeparameters (Norberg angle, subluxation, cranial acetabular edge), as they describe any underlying hip dysplasia and are usually predictive of subsequent osteoarthritis ■■ Do not breed from any dog that shows evidence ofosteoarthritis (scores in parameters lower down in the scoring grid) ■■ Breed only from dogs with low hip scores for the breed – certainly less than the breed median score
I look forward to seeing the updated website.
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