NASS Bite Work Videos - Page 7

Can someone help me with something?

What does the running around the ring all harum scarum, with people acting like idiots outside the ring prove?  I mean how can it even show the dog's motion when the dogs are weaving back and forth like confused pinballs, stopping and starting and stopping again.

I read Rik's comment about the gaiting is supposed to weed out dogs who can't keep going due to structure faults but wouldn't the AD be a better and more useful tool in showing such weakness, without making a noble breed look like and ADHD toddler?

Thanks for posting the videos, I had a good laugh.

RLHAR,

At the risk of pissing people off, YES, you are correct the AD would do that, if in fact ALL the dogs entered in a show actually had earned an AD. 


I am rather surprised that no one has ventured to answer my question at the beginning of this thread. What has happened to the stick hits in a performance test?  Where was the threat?

Most of those dogs would have run off the field if the helper farted. Stick hits would have ruined them.

RLHAR, the judge is evaluating the gait during this time. Regardless of who approves or disapproves. this is an evaluation of structure. Not a trial and was never meant to be. It is what it is.

DeesWolf, if someone gets pizzed because you call for character in the GSD, let them whizz. I ran dogs in circles for close to 30 years. What you end up with, if this is first priority, is a dog good for running circles. And little else.

It will not end up different here. The GSD should prove his character first and then be placed on structure. No character, no placement. But that would be a perfect world.

and that's JMO,
Rik

Phil,


You may very well be right about the "aus platz" falling out of favor, but there are still times that it is effective and useful with a good dog. My comment was addressed to the person who mistakenly said that the dog platzed due to the handler screaming so loudly. This was NOT the case. I can also assure you with confidence that he does not have insecurity or unsureness. This is a most sure and confident dog.

Theresa

Really Theresa??  And your experience with confident and sure dogs comes from?  What are the scores like on said dog?  I haven't watched the video because I know it'll pretty much be a waste of time but just to have an educated opinion on the matter,,,,,I'll get some popcorn and tough it out.

Rik ,i agree with you that supposedly this is a show of structure [ true and not true] . First these GSDs are already titled ..i empahisize : TITLED , and some Sch 3 !!!! so WHY such a deplorable performanmce..i agree with the comment " the dogs wopuld have farted " , although a little crude in verse  but true !! Yes .. it is not a test of performance .. but even my GSD at 1/2  year performed better than these dogs ... and at 8 years performs still remarkable .. come on .. these are YOUNG TITLED GSDs shouldn't matter where , when they perform , especoially so called titled  !! 2. not enteirely true- the comment  about showing structure because : if YOU know the GSD and as do the JUDGES- then  in 10 seconds .. actually a split secong glance .. ther judges  know exactly what this structure is on that GSD . beleive me .. i know from experience-. been around SV judges and some at the regional  shows in Germany .. elbow to elbow .. and i can attest it takes them but a blink of an eye to know what they are looking at. now the average GSD afficianado ,  well versed .. ok i cut them then 20 seconds !! now my afttitude .. a GSD by nature a working canine .. if it has no endurance ,no  stamina .. it doesn't even deserve being there even as a sideline spectator !! no it's a show about MONEY , FAME etc.

Theresa,,,,,,,,,I finally watched the painful truth.  I only watched videos #1 & #2 and saw one "aus platz" from I think it was dog #513?  If that's the dog in question,,,,,please don't insult my intelligence again and learn more about working dogs before your chirp. 

I agree with what Slamdumc said...
"I agree with many of the posters, I watched two of the videos and the only dog worthy of comment was "Grif." That dog did a nice job, he should be looked at over every other dog shown for breeding, IMO.
I am constantly amazed that people will go to a National event and show their dogs with such poor performances. I noticed an overwhelming majority of dogs that were slow to out, chewy grips, dirty and poor guarding, avoidance during the guarding, handler sensitivity and just weak performances. Granted most of this can be attributed to poor genetics, but poor training is also a huge factor. When you combine poor handling, poor training and overall weak dogs this is the result the NASS. How sad for our breed. How do you go to a National Competition, and this is a competition with a dog that won't heel off lead, won't out or even pretend to guard the decoy. Let's all talk about "prey monsters" in the working lines, at least they do something.
JMO,  Jim "

First off, thanks to the poster that took the time to post these videos.
Second, I had a hard time watching these videos...they were really sad. The ONLY dog, this includes both males and females,  that looked good was #502 Grif. The dog that Jim mentioned... nice dog.. he had nice grips, good power and nice guarding. There need to be more dogs like him.
The rest of the dogs had poor grips, showed no power or commitment to the bite, very poor guarding. In most of the videos the helper basically pushes the sleeve into the dogs mouths on the attack out of hte blind... and these dogs are supposedly TITLED. Most of them SchH3....hmmm . Kinda makes one wonder about the title??!!