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by Pirates Lair on 07 November 2012 - 00:11
Escobar- That particular puppy received a lot of praise when overcomming a new obstacle, his sister receives a food treat.
Each puppy is different and is motivated by different things.
Cage- the pup in the video is the son of Rush, sired by Hoky Va Pe (Grandson as you asked)
Kim
Each puppy is different and is motivated by different things.
Cage- the pup in the video is the son of Rush, sired by Hoky Va Pe (Grandson as you asked)
Kim
by Supertanker on 07 November 2012 - 14:11
Love the videos!
To add my .02, I would not pay more than $4,000 for a trained dog.
A PPD will continue to need training, exercise, discpline, affection and stimulation after you get him.
It's a living, breathing, sentient being, not a piece of furniture or a shotgun you keep in the corner (no offense).
I work my PPD almost everyday. He gets exercise several times a day (which means I get exercise serveral time a day!).
We have a local "Bite Club" where he gets to bite decoys in various scenarios,
I also have bite sleeves at home (which he will go and get and bring to me when he wants to bite).
IME having a dog that will fight (not just bite) for you (all other things being equal) is about the relationship you have with dog.
To add my .02, I would not pay more than $4,000 for a trained dog.
A PPD will continue to need training, exercise, discpline, affection and stimulation after you get him.
It's a living, breathing, sentient being, not a piece of furniture or a shotgun you keep in the corner (no offense).
I work my PPD almost everyday. He gets exercise several times a day (which means I get exercise serveral time a day!).
We have a local "Bite Club" where he gets to bite decoys in various scenarios,
I also have bite sleeves at home (which he will go and get and bring to me when he wants to bite).
IME having a dog that will fight (not just bite) for you (all other things being equal) is about the relationship you have with dog.
by Pirates Lair on 07 November 2012 - 14:11
Supertanker- Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video
Kim
Kim
by Western Rider on 08 November 2012 - 04:11
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by Ace952 on 23 November 2012 - 21:11
Bigger question is who will help you train the dog??
I see the OP hasn't come back but lives in Phoenix. Not many here in Phx I would trust to train the dog.
I see the OP hasn't come back but lives in Phoenix. Not many here in Phx I would trust to train the dog.
by MichaelCox on 23 November 2012 - 21:11
With the help of some of the more respected members here I've been able to get on the right track. I've narrowed my pool of potential breeder/dealers that I will decide from. I'll fly out in the next week or so to visit the dogs. It's a two city trip but I think its best to make sure I get the best dog for me. I'll then make my decision. I'll most likely be attending Mike Bakers handlers class in January. I've also been turned on to a couple of trainers here in the Phx area for upkeep. So I'm pretty well covered for the moment anyway.
by Nans gsd on 24 November 2012 - 02:11
Sounds like you have done your homework and best of luck to you Michael == Nan
by ZukaK9 on 24 November 2012 - 03:11
Michael,
I do not spend much time posting instead I rather make working dog equipment! lol!
From what I gather you own a pawn shop therefore you have a good business sense......you have a good gut instinct therefore keep using it and keep walking when you hear inflated prices.
No PPD or sport dog is worth $20k and above unless he can produce what he is IMO. Notice I said "he", that is also my opinion since I value a stud dog that can produce and continuosly pass his genetics to his get more than a female especially if I will pay that much money.
A male has the potential to make a larger impact on the breed since he has the potential to produce hundreds of litters as opposed to 3-4 litters for a female, but that is a different story.
Being a former soldier and former security contractor I have been exposed directly to the dogs and feel that the ARMY and the USMC (DOD) have been ripped off many times over.
And sometimes they get a good break....you gotta give up a nice dog once in a while in order to keep the gravy train contract.
From a business stand point remember this.
Price of green pup/young dog....$1,000-$2,000.
Training...agitation/reaction.........$3000-$6,000 This depends on the trainer, exposure to different environments and how fast the dog picked up the training.
Obedience.. basic formal obedience, nothing pretty like sport obedience....$2,000-$4,000.
Maintenance.........basic feed and shelter, price will reflect conditions and time (at least they should). $1,000-$2,000.
How to fix the issue?
Option 1
1. Take your time and buy something you can see first hand, no videos unless they are from an experienced well known trainer. Ever notice that most videos are just great! lol!
Try to stay under two years of age if the dog is a hard ass. Teenagers become men at around the 20-24 month age and can develop some nasty habits especially if being transferred from being a kennel dog to now being a house dog.
Option 2
1. Buy a nice pup from good working lines, preferably an older pup even a 1yr old...this way you know you have a nice prospect. Hire a good local Schutzhund/PSA or any bite sport trainer and put a good foundation on him. If they know what they are doing they will bring this guy to the next level in agitation and get what you want when you need it.
Finally, the only real problem you will encounter are the humans....there are plenty of wannabe's who train, who preach about certain bloodlines but have never even linebred or inbred their dogs (you do not know what you have until you have multiplied what you have in order to get the bad out)....however there are not that many true dog men that really know what is happening with their dogs.
I hope this helps sir.
I do not spend much time posting instead I rather make working dog equipment! lol!
From what I gather you own a pawn shop therefore you have a good business sense......you have a good gut instinct therefore keep using it and keep walking when you hear inflated prices.
No PPD or sport dog is worth $20k and above unless he can produce what he is IMO. Notice I said "he", that is also my opinion since I value a stud dog that can produce and continuosly pass his genetics to his get more than a female especially if I will pay that much money.
A male has the potential to make a larger impact on the breed since he has the potential to produce hundreds of litters as opposed to 3-4 litters for a female, but that is a different story.
Being a former soldier and former security contractor I have been exposed directly to the dogs and feel that the ARMY and the USMC (DOD) have been ripped off many times over.
And sometimes they get a good break....you gotta give up a nice dog once in a while in order to keep the gravy train contract.
From a business stand point remember this.
Price of green pup/young dog....$1,000-$2,000.
Training...agitation/reaction.........$3000-$6,000 This depends on the trainer, exposure to different environments and how fast the dog picked up the training.
Obedience.. basic formal obedience, nothing pretty like sport obedience....$2,000-$4,000.
Maintenance.........basic feed and shelter, price will reflect conditions and time (at least they should). $1,000-$2,000.
How to fix the issue?
Option 1
1. Take your time and buy something you can see first hand, no videos unless they are from an experienced well known trainer. Ever notice that most videos are just great! lol!
Try to stay under two years of age if the dog is a hard ass. Teenagers become men at around the 20-24 month age and can develop some nasty habits especially if being transferred from being a kennel dog to now being a house dog.
Option 2
1. Buy a nice pup from good working lines, preferably an older pup even a 1yr old...this way you know you have a nice prospect. Hire a good local Schutzhund/PSA or any bite sport trainer and put a good foundation on him. If they know what they are doing they will bring this guy to the next level in agitation and get what you want when you need it.
Finally, the only real problem you will encounter are the humans....there are plenty of wannabe's who train, who preach about certain bloodlines but have never even linebred or inbred their dogs (you do not know what you have until you have multiplied what you have in order to get the bad out)....however there are not that many true dog men that really know what is happening with their dogs.
I hope this helps sir.
by MichaelCox on 24 November 2012 - 06:11
Thanks Nan, I'll send you those pics...
Good sound advice Zuka, thank you for the info. especially about the bad habits going from kennel to house; I honestly didn't think about that.
PS. To the person that said I wasn't around, I am just decided it best if I let the thread die. Too many opinions caused me to get brain freeze.
Good sound advice Zuka, thank you for the info. especially about the bad habits going from kennel to house; I honestly didn't think about that.
PS. To the person that said I wasn't around, I am just decided it best if I let the thread die. Too many opinions caused me to get brain freeze.
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